| Nov 22, 2008 @ 5:41 PM |
NYC Churches Ordered Not To Shelter Homeless
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vinnytmd
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Yeahhh - this makes sense. NYC is going broke - let the homeless freeze to death!
NYC Churches Ordered Not To Shelter Homeless
NEW YORK (CBS) ? City officials have ordered 22 New York churches to stop providing beds to homeless people.
With temperatures well below freezing early Saturday, the churches must obey a city rule requiring faith-based shelters to be open at least five days a week -- or not at all.
Arnold Cohen, president of the Partnership for the Homeless, a nonprofit that serves as a link with the city, said he had to tell the churches they no longer qualify.
He said hundreds of people now won't have a place to sleep.
The Department of Homeless Services said the city offers other shelters with the capacity to accept all those who have been sleeping in the churches. The city had 8,000 beds waiting.
Last year, four unsheltered homeless people died in the city during cold weather, so three dozen emergency outreach teams were prepped to respond to reports of homeless people outdoors or in the subways.
"We really don't want people sleeping on the streets, on grates, on church steps. We want people sleeping in beds," said Homeless Commissioner Robert Hess.
The homeless can be coaxed indoors but not forced unless their life is in danger.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 5:46 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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1-800-CALLBARRY
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 5:53 PM |
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onoudn
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Rob Hess Runs Away from Homeless Families
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 6:04 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Barry is the MESSIAH - he will fix ANYTHING! 
NYC is going broke. They are closing Subway lines and talking about taxing everything they can.
This is just a GREAT idea when the first cold wave comes to town!
I guess the MESSIAH will order the Waldorf Astoria to let the whinos sleep in the lobby!
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 6:19 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...There appears to be several potential twists to the story, in that the city pays non-profits to house the homeless, but also receives funding from the state and federal.
...So, do the churches house the homeless for free, or are they reimbursed by the city? 
...The other side of the coin, is that if the churches are not reimbursed, then the city needs all the numbers they can get, to receive the maximum funding.
...Or possibly, in anticipation of Obama's consideration of funding more to faith based groups to help the public, they are instead, circumventing that potential funding to the city coffers.
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...The city says it has enough space to accept all of those sleeping in churches, so I am guessing they want to save the money paid to non-profits.
...An older budget:
Department of Homeless Services
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...And there is another twist, in which the city is attempting to stop evictions and force the load to be carried by the landlord, or the creditor:
DHS intends to work collaboratively with service providers to enhance the delivery of anti-eviction legalservices and other services with the aim of preserving the tenancy of families most at risk of entering the shelter system. NYC Departement of Homeless Services
...Whatever it is, you can bet it involves a liberal policy and money; while a few are thrown under the bus to achieve that goal.
...After all, it was NYC politics and Rudy, who allowed 9-11 to take place with their city wide amnesty program.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 6:34 PM |
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onoudn
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Vinny please explain how you twisted this into another reason to bash Obama ?
What's Obama's connection to this, aside from the one SG mentioned ?
Obama has said that he intends to give more funding to the faith based organization that do things, such as help the homeless. He hasn't drafted a complete plan yet. He's not even in office yet ? Aren't you being a little premature with youpronouncement of failure ?
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 6:43 PM |
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copsmomof2
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Why is it every issue that comes up is Obama's fault? He's not even from NYC and isn't in office yet. I fail to see how this decision has anything to do with him. Course I'm sure someone made a connection somewhere......... share the wealth.................. how did ya do that?
Other than that - my guess is NYC is really takin some flack for this decision but if there are 8000 beds empty I can see closing down the others. Especially if the 8000 are already funded and the churches are sending the city a bill every month while beds sit empty. Just makes good sense. Course some folks you really can't make them go to shelters - they just won't do it - scared thier shopping cart will get stolen or something. Then there are some homeless that aren't crack heads and just choose not to be around the homeless that are. I have heard homeless in Houston (on TV) share how dangerous overnight shelters are. Austin altho has a pretty good shelter system. They also have plenty of homeless - again some by choice. Starving artists and musicians without girlfriends......... 
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 6:59 PM |
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onoudn
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cops good post....i agree how is this obama's fault..if you want to blame a president i've got news for ya....GEORGE BUSH IS THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW, AND HAS BEEN FOR EIGHT YEARS....WHAT HAS HE DONE TO STOP HOMELESSNESS ?
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 7:15 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Vinny please explain how you twisted this into another reason to bash Obama ?
What's Obama's connection to this, aside from the one SG mentioned ?
Obama has said that he intends to give more funding to the faith based organization that do things, such as help the homeless. He hasn't drafted a complete plan yet. He's not even in office yet ? Aren't you being a little premature with youpronouncement of failure ?
Where did I say this? I am simply mimicking your ignorance.
This is a NYC issue - these idiots are schmucks for enforcing any ruling like this. It will be in the 20's tonight.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 7:22 PM |
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Jankia
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SG- So, do the churches house the homeless for free, or are they reimbursed by the city? I dont know about New York but here in Wisconsin,Porchlight..a non-profit organization survives on its local church volunteers for food,toiletries and help plus local restaurants and catering that have a surplus of any kind for its food requirements.The over-night housing is provided by local churches through Porchlight and County,State and Federal money is also provided for shelters along with City funding.
Everyone supports the homeless somewhat...through there tax money.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 7:28 PM |
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copsmomof2
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It IS true.......... Vinny didn't mention Barack. I even went back a re read the original post and nope he did not. That's why I didn't include "vinny" on my post.
I will now thos
VINNY - I'm proud of ya darlin!!!! 
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 7:31 PM |
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vinnytmd
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thanks copsmom - Some people just can't stay focused on a topic.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 7:41 PM |
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onoudn
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Barry is the MESSIAH - he will fix ANYTHING!
NYC is going broke. They are closing Subway lines and talking about taxing everything they can.
This is just a GREAT idea when the first cold wave comes to town!
I guess the MESSIAH will order the Waldorf Astoria to let the whinos sleep in the lobby!
If you are not bashing Obama on this thread, then I missed the whole point of the comment above...from vinny...barry is obama, right ?
or this one from cops, what the heck is going on here ?
Why is it every issue that comes up is Obama's fault? He's not even from NYC and isn't in office yet. I fail to see how this decision has anything to do with him. Course I'm sure someone made a
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 7:47 PM |
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vinnytmd
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ounduon - why do you have to start trouble?
What do you think about the city doing this on the coldest night of the year?
Could there be any good political reason to put homeless people in peril?
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 8:11 PM |
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SensualGemini
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JankiaI dont know about New York but here in Wisconsin,Porchlight..a non-profit organization survives on its local church volunteers for food,toiletries and help plus local restaurants and catering that have a surplus of any kind for its food requirements.The over-night housing is provided by local churches through Porchlight and County,State and Federal money is also provided for shelters along with City funding.
...Hello Jankia... I had looked at a past budget for the NYC Department of Homeless and it included paying non-profits a considerable sum of money.
...So, it was simply speculation for why the OP report, rather than pointing fingers as being fact.
...Yet, my final statement of NYC being of liberal policy; as all large cities are controlled by Democrats, is simply an ongoing fact. Each and every one of them has beyond major issues, which without a doubt, gives credibility that if liberal policies are not working in any of the major cities... how, or why would anyone conclude liberal policy will work on a national level?
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CopsMom: Why is it every issue that comes up is Obama's fault? He's not even from NYC and isn't in office yet. I fail to see how this decision has anything to do with him.
...Actually, Obama has started creating policy through Congress as the future president; while he attempted same as Senator. As we type, bills are being created in anticipation of a further dominant Democrat Congress, with a Democrat president. As Bush and many presidents before have attempted to legislate from the Executive branch, so is and will Obama.
...He does not have to wait until he is seated as President and actually, rather foolish to do so... as these bills will be ready to be presented and acted upon the moment he takes his oath.
...Just as the stock market reacts on news, so does politics on all levels in anticipation of the probability for same becoming a reality.
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| Nov 22, 2008 @ 8:14 PM |
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onoudn
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ounduon - why do you have to start trouble?
What do you think about the city doing this on the coldest night of the year?
Could there be any good political reason to put homeless people in peril?
wtf.....how am i starting trouble....you made a comment and i responded to it...then you claimed you didn't make it....so i provided your comment....how is that starting trouble ?
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| Nov 23, 2008 @ 1:31 AM |
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KatiefromStafford
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everything is the Dems fault and Obama's, even Bush's policies.. doesn't everyone know that by now?
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| Nov 23, 2008 @ 1:51 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Katie: everything is the Dems fault and Obama's, even Bush's policies.. doesn't everyone know that by now?
...Well Katie, I am just a dumb azz country boy, but I am learning. 
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| Nov 23, 2008 @ 1:59 AM |
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bardnsage
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I have friends in NYC, and thier church does this. The solution they came up with is to have an allnight service, with a potluck and a nap room. They do not expense to the city, so they will use the seperation of church and state to continue their mission.
His quote to me..... "If you don't take the devils money, you don't have to deal with the devil."
I'll be keeping this one handy,,,,,,,
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| Nov 23, 2008 @ 2:03 AM |
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1RockinDude
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What in the world is Obama's fault, time and time again..wow that is getting old !! It is like he is the only one in the U.S.A ..almost laughable !
I am sure alot of us could help the ones in need. And not put everything in polictics!! or Government !
If McCain would have won..would it be
his proganda...dont feed people in New York, City..crazy stuff !
If it is true blame the Churches
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