| Feb 12 @ 11:43 PM |
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musicianfriend
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I have just had another poster discredit me and my posts and my 'mental' capability....
In forums I have been in..this is the typical tactic of the left...I see this done to convervatives over and over time and time again...The try to discredit and minimulize the opposition..So typical...They do this to anyone who disagree's with them..
For instance..we have a President and congress and senate that as we speak are trying to usher in socialism...
He is trying to take control of the census..which will help the dems to never loose an election again by changing the districts to suit themselves..Does this not bother anyone that this administration would do such a thing..No one ever has done these things before.
Or could it be my posts about the tv media hiding the fact that this financial debacle was caused by the Democrat party....
So am I 'paranoid' of this President shoving socialism down our throats, agains the will of the people?
This 'is' happening.
Is this what you are refering to? ...
Why even on the cover of Newsweek..it says "We are Socialist's Now".. I have mentioned my concerns about this many times.
Not all of the left are like this so I am not refering to all the Dems or progressives or whatever the name....
So tell me SNG, what post or posts that I have posted do you have a problem with..
Explain how you came to your evaluation of me Doc!...
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| Feb 12 @ 11:50 PM |
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alivenwell351
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congress and senate that as we speak are trying to usher in socialism.
You're right...
What's important to note though is that many repubs in congress will sign onto the whole thing and be right there beside the dems helping to steer the bus...
Once Porkasaurus passes next week, see for yourself how many repubs will have voted for it...
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| Feb 12 @ 11:54 PM |
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pomegranate
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I think what it boils down to is that there are many people who don't agree with you. I don't think anyone is ushering in socialism...at least not in the "sky is falling" way in which you portray it. As far as questioning your mental capacity, I'm not going to do that...don't have a degree in psychiatry or anything, but one could easily get the impression you're paranoid because of the fact that you make one post after another about it, one thread after another about it. Seems like you're obsessed. And I'm not saying this to be insulting whatsoever, but this is how you come across. Like you think the world's coming to an end or something.
You seem to be on a mission of some kind.
And what I don't understand is your reasoning behind all this. I mean, those who agree with you you don't have to worry about, right? But do you honestly think you're going to convert adults, who have the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves, to be swayed over to your political agenda?
People choose their political affiliation and the candidates they vote for for very personal reasons. To try to change them is, I think, not only an exercise in futility, but is also a very ...can't think of the exact word I need right now since I'm very tired...but "rude" ? I don't know...just doesn't seem right.
Perhaps if, instead of posting extremely long posts if you just give your own personal reasons for why this is such a huge issue for you, or, more than that, why you seem to think it should be such a huge issue for everyone else, maybe then it'd be easier to understand and people would be less apt to think negative thoughts.
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| Feb 13 @ 12:02 AM |
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alivenwell351
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Musician...
Not a everyone is thinking negative thoughts about what you have to say....
Usually it's just the ones who think the obamasiah really is the 2nd coming, believe what's going on now is just fine and don't react well to anyone who doesn't share their tunnelvision views.......
Pay em no mind and keep on speaking yours...whether they like it or not!!!
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| Feb 13 @ 12:10 AM |
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JOY555
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Koolaid drinkers-the left
It is a reference to the Jonestown Cult
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| Feb 13 @ 12:21 AM |
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SimplyImp
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alive: ...the ones who think the obamasiah really is the 2nd coming, believe what's going on now is just fine and don't react well to anyone who doesn't share their tunnelvision views.......
Pay em no mind and keep on speaking yours...whether they like it or not!!! ...
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| Feb 13 @ 12:27 AM |
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pomegranate
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No one said she shouldn't speak her mind. She was asking for explanations on why posters might discredit her. You know, that's what I don't get about this place. It's okay to have an opinion so long as your opinion coincides with the majority...or a certain select group of people who have laid claim to this place. And it just so happens that that majority is far right-wing Republicans. Well, not everyone thinks like you all do. And just because we're not like you are doesn't mean we are deserving of the insults that you throw out in these forums on a regular basis.
Look at the titles of most of the threads in the politics forum. What are most of them doing? Saying something insulting about liberals, is what. Or using extreme fear tactics in order to (I guess?) sway opinions.
What is the point? When it comes to politics, why is it that people think it's "you either think as I do or you're crazy, stupid, lazy, ignorant, ugly..whatever..." or they think, "If you don't think as I do, the world is going to come to an end; just mark my word"???
I mean, I believe what I believe and I have my personal reasons for doing so. I don't delve into politics too awfully deeply, because then those personal reasons would come out, and that would give certain people way too much ammo for using personal attacks and insults.
But really, when it comes right down to it, politics doesn't really play a huge role in my life. I figure doesn't matter who's in office; there's always going to be things I agree with or don't agree with. I don't notice any major impact on me, in my personal life, except where it obviously hits my pocketbook.
keep gas prices low...utility prices reasonable (which is something I've got a MAJOR beef with right now...NES..) and if you're going to tax me to death, at least tax me on something that's beneficial to the majority, and not just to special interest groups.
So I don't know...I hate Koolaid, though.Blech.
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| Feb 13 @ 12:38 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Usually it's just the ones who think the obamasiah really is the 2nd coming, believe what's going on now is just fine and don't react well to anyone who doesn't share their tunnelvision views....... And this right here is part of the problem. There are a lot of us who don't think President Obama is the messiah, or any such thing. We're a long way from ecstatically, orgasmically happy about the situation we're in and the proposals to extricate us. But we're quite capable of pointing out that BOTH parties caused this debacle. As long as all people like MF want to do is blame the Democrats for it happening, and ignore the role the conservatives played, they're going to get called on their horseshit.
So far, the only consistent "proposal" I have heard from the far right as to how to extricate us from this mess to is to reduce government revenues even further by cutting taxes even more on the wealthy. Their only consistent calls for cutting spending are all concentrated on cutting spending that helps individuals, or reneging on promises to Social Security recipients and Veterans, labeling those as "entitlements" as if that is a pejorative. (The people who have paid into those funds, or are disabled from providing for themselves, or have given service to this country ARE entitled. That's why those are labeled entitlements.) But they want to increase spending on defense and that which helps corporations. Like they have no clue as to what has BEEN happening the past 8 years.
"Kool-Aid drinkers" are neither the right, nor the left, solely, but any who senselessly but loyally and faithfully buy into rhetoric to the detriment of their own wellbeing and interests.
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| Feb 13 @ 12:38 AM |
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ForumMod
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In forums I have been in..this is the typical tactic of the left...I see this done to convervatives over and over time and time again...The try to discredit and minimulize the opposition..So typical...They do this to anyone who disagree's with them..
on this site, that tactic seems to be used by both the left and the right and anyone else in between. there's no point generalizing here because every 'side' seems to be fair game. 
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| Feb 13 @ 12:44 AM |
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blueyes101
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^^^^^^^^^^^--------------------------That's why he has 3 sides....... 
your's mine, and ours.....
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| Feb 13 @ 12:45 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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As with the other threads by this poster....she starts them......posts one post....then leaves to start another! Never responds or explains her position. Therefore, I question her ability to debate the issues so close to her heart!
So, I say to the poster of this thread.......get off your lil'princess pedestial and start backing up your threads with meaningful debate!
Now, you can run and hide till tomorrow or the next day....then come back on line and start 2-3 more threads like your M.O. has proven.....you do!
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| Feb 13 @ 12:56 AM |
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musicianfriend
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Thank you Alivenwell...I appreciate your pep talk! 
pomegrante
I think what it boils down to is that there are many people who don't agree with you.
i know many who do...
I don't think anyone is ushering in socialism...at least not in the "sky is falling" way in which you portray it.
But they are Pom...universal health...redistribution of wealth..large government....excessive taxation to come....
In socialism isnt there only two classes? The ruling Elite and the poor? So when the 'rich' are no more..they will dimish, where will these taxes come from? From all of us..the new poor..
In Germany...a socialist system..the doctors get paid 40% less than our lowest paid doctor here in the states...40%...thats not very good..You see..one of my worries is that in Germany because of universal health care..the doctors are leaving the country..There arent enough docs...That could happen here..
Also, in socialized meds...instead of helping the elderly..they will start to promote euthanasia...There choice will...#1live with the pain...or #2. euthansia...Its happening in other socialist countries..I researched this stuff. It even happend in Oregon..they have their own weird med thing there.
As far as questioning your mental capacity, I'm not going to do that...don't have a degree in psychiatry or anything, but one could easily get the impression you're paranoid because of the fact that you make one post after another about it, one thread after another about it. Seems like you're obsessed. And I'm not saying this to be insulting whatsoever, but this is how you come across. Like you think the world's coming to an end or something.
Well...these last several months has been an election..now we are faced with this porkulous bill that will do very little to stimulate this economy..If it fails...there will need to be more bail outs..thus furthering the socialist agenda..Im not the only one who see this stuff..
Pomegranate
You seem to be on a mission of some kind.
Perhpas.....but Im kinda surprised that you dont see the socialism that is being presented to us as 'redistribution of wealth'..or as universal health care when there are other ways of dealing with all this such as ...
Myself, i purchase my own health care...To do this..I MUST make alot of sacrifices...
.Then there are folks who go to the country hospital and sign up there for very very cheap insurance and Medicade takes care of the rest...No one can be denied health care here in America..
so as I see it, there is no need for this costly expensive universal health care system the dems want to give us..I see it as a power grab..A way to take away our money through taxes..lose of freedom.
So I just cant see that we should slowly flow into socialism when we have a perfect system here now..
I dont believe what they say about health care..ITs just a way to scare people into thinking we need it when I dont see that we do...
I do have a problem with being lied to about this 'global warming'..It is a real thorn in my side...I dont like people to scare everyone to death and then try to take their money..Many many people see this as well, global warming has been discredited...
. Credible scientists have come forward saying this is not happening due to man..in fact we are actually entering into a cooling phase..
They are using global warming to scare people into 'working together as a global community' thus to begin their 'one world government'...This has been a plan for decades..My self..I have been following this and studying it since the 1980's.
This financial crisis and the way it effected the entire world markets should be enough IMO to scare everyone away from globalism..Its dangerous..
And what I don't understand is your reasoning behind all this. I mean, those who agree with you you don't have to worry about, right? But do you honestly think you're going to convert adults, who have the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves, to be swayed over to your political agenda?
Perhaps Im in the wrong forum...I though we were here to exchange political ideas..
I am not in the 'convert' business..and as far as adults having the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves..that is good..Trying to sway people? No...Just trying to share information that I have seen and many others...they can make up their own minds...But is there a problem with bringing up these things? Isnt that why we are here in the first place? To share information and ideas? Perhaps Im in the wrong site?
If one was about to walk off of a cliff ...wouldnt it be the right thing to do to warn him that hes actually heading off the cliff? This is how I feel about what is happening today in our political system..If the democrats accomplish what they are planning..it will change this country forever..The constitution will be replaced as it is adamently AGAINST big government..What is happening is unconstitutional desguised as an emergency..
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| Feb 13 @ 12:57 AM |
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musicianfriend
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continued...part 2 of 2
right now..the market is beginning to fix itself as we speak...I thought all along there should be NO bail outs...The free market will always fix itself..
For instance..when the big financial institutions failed..several smaller companies would have had a chance to come in and take their place..fill in the slack...Now thats the kind of redistribution of wealth Id rather see..Free market..
It is a true fact that the Dem party has been infiltrated by many socialists/communists...Google it for yourself...Would you rather that I not share that information with you? Is it not better to know the truth?
So with new information, perhaps you can investigate for yourself and see., your party will never tell you this..they dont want you to know what is happening..
.Nancy Pelousi...Maxine Waters, ..Franklin Raines, Abercrombie to name a few..are socialist...Many many more..Even Pres. Obama was at one time or perhaps even now still is a member of the "The Socialist Democrat Party" which is the new name for the communist in the past they could get no credibility until they changed the name from the communist party to the Socialist Democrat Party..Research it for yourself..Thats how I found all this out..
People choose their political affiliation and the candidates they vote for for very personal reasons. To try to change them is, I think, not only an exercise in futility, but is also a very ...can't think of the exact word I need right now since I'm very tired...but "rude" ? I don't know...just doesn't seem right.
Then why do candidates campaign then..Isnt that process to 'sway' thought? Its not rude Pom...Its just politics. No one is forced to read my posts..
People change their minds everyday..They change their parties with new information..It happens everyday..
Perhaps if, instead of posting extremely long posts if you just give your own personal reasons for why this is such a huge issue for you, or, more than that, why you seem to think it should be such a huge issue for everyone else, maybe then it'd be easier to understand and people would be less apt to think negative thoughts.
Sometimes I will post the entire article due to the fact that alot of people wont go into the links and they are there for others to read..No one 'has' to read them..But the information is there for their convienance..
Thanx Pom..
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| Feb 13 @ 1:06 AM |
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pomegranate
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Speaking strictly for myself, I'm too busy to read through all the propaganda...
And I also don't agree with most of what you're saying. I don't get what the purpose of your soapbox is, and I don't have time to read through all the fear mongering to try to figure out what it is you're actually saying, or what purpose you have for saying it.
Oh, well....I, for one, am THRILLED Bush is finally out of office, and I think Obama has one hell of a mess to clean up, but I think he's doing his absolute best. I don't believe we're on our way to becoming another USSR, however. I think that is rather paranoid thinking on your part; sorry.
Oh, and as far as purchasing one's own health care?
I can't afford it, so I simply do without it. I don't spend my money on anything exorbitant, either. And there are people who are far worse off than I am who cannot afford it either. Without free or discount healthcare, some of these people would die. How do you propose to take care of people who are sick who aren't just selfish and trying to bilk the system?
I've done without healthcare because I feel like, unless I'm dying, I don't need to go see a doctor. I've been fairly fortunate, in that I hardly ever get sick. But I've never even had a mammogram, for instance, and I'm 50 years old. What's the point? If I was to have one, and found out I had breast cancer, I couldn't afford treatment. I'm self-employed and I pay ALL my expenses out of pocket.
Healthcare shouldn't be considered a luxury, IMO. Healthcare shouldn't be available only for those who can afford it.
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| Feb 13 @ 1:08 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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musicianfriend.....posted this....."It is a true fact that the Dem party has been infiltrated by many socialists/communists...Google it for yourself...Would you rather that I not share that information with you? Is it not better to know the truth?"...!
Now, you have stated .."it is a true fact that the Dem party has been infiltrated by socialists/communists"....!
Please, before you disappear for the night, where is your proof, facts you claim, to back up what you just stuck your neck out to say?
NO, it is not my responsibility to do the googling for you....your "facts" must be backed up by you!
Uh, I am waiting....meter is running....and I am brewing the coffee....I have a feeling this is going to be a long night!
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| Feb 13 @ 1:24 AM |
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musicianfriend
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement and the intellectual movement of that period which criticized the effects of industrialization and private ownership on society. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian (working class) revolution and would represent the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]
The first socialists predicted a world improved by harnessing technology and combining it with better social organization, and many modern socialists share this belief,[5][6] although modern socialists have a bigger emphasis on egalitarianism MINE:(political and social equality. but remember..there has to be a ruling class..They will be the 'rich' the people they have tried to get you to hate or be envious of..but that hate wont apply to them..)whereas traditional socialists favored meritocracy.(hiearchy based on abilty)(Remember what Obama said.."Each according to his needs...Each according to his ability" Karl Marx) (this will create a new slave class..Those who like to work will slave for the lazy and unproductive.)[citation needed]
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society to attain such status.This is untrue..in capitalism..anyone can acheive their highest dreams..Look at what we have done thru a capitalist system...I cant see what is wrong with what we have accomplished..We are free..Under socialism we will NOT be free.
Therefore socialists advocate the creation of a society in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly based on the amount of work expended,(that statement makes no sense..It contradicts itself.)
although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved. Socialism is not a concrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. so it can evolve into communism, and it usually does over time.
Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the reformists and the revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy. Socialists inspired by the Soviet model of economic development, have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a state that owns all the means of production. Others, including Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Polish and Chinese Communists in the 1970s and 1980s, instituted various forms of market socialism combining co-operative and State ownership models with the free market exchange and free price system.[7] Social democrats propose selective nationalization of key national industries in mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs and the regulation of markets; Libertarian socialism (which includes Social anarchism and Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative workers' councils and workplace democracy.
Western European social critics were the first, modern socialists – Robert Owen, Charles Fourier, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Louis Blanc, and Saint-Simon, who criticised the excessive poverty and inequality consequence of the Industrial Revolution, and advocated reform via the egalitarian distribution aka redistribution of wealth of wealth and the transformation of society to small communities without private property.no more home ownership Saint-Simon delineated collectivist principles reorganizing society to so build socialism upon planned, utopian communities.
Linguistically, the contemporary connotation of the words socialism and communism accorded with the adherents' and opponents' cultural attitude towards Religion. In Christian Europe, of the two, communism was believed the atheist way of life. In Protestant England, communism was too culturally and aurally close to the Papist Roman Catholic communion rite, hence English atheists denoted themselves socialists.[11]
In 1847, Frederick Engels said "socialism was respectable on the continent, while communism was not." The Owenites in England and the Fourierists in France were considered socialists, while working-class movements (that is what Obama and the dems are doing now) that "proclaimed the necessity of total social change" denoted themselves Communists. This latter branch of socialism, was powerful enough to produce the communisms of Étienne Cabet, in France, and Wilhelm Weitling, in Germany.[12]
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| Feb 13 @ 1:25 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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As someone who is seriously doubtful of MF's mental faculties, it's not because of my purported political leanings. It's because she's posting frothing-at-the-mouth paranoid conspiracy theories.
MF: If you want to be taken seriously, stick to dealing with the real world. Not with your delusions or martyr complexes.
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| Feb 13 @ 1:26 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Now, you have stated .."it is a true fact that the Dem party has been infiltrated by socialists/communists"....!
Please, before you disappear for the night, where is your proof, facts you claim, to back up what you just stuck your neck out to say? Actually, Luckie, to me, it's not a matter of whether it's true or not, but even if it is true, so what? What is it you don't get, MF, about the fact that not everyone is blindly ignoring the directions this country is taking toward social democracy, but that many see it as a good thing? You decry people questioning your intelligence, yet your posts themselves imply anyone who doesn't agree with you must be blind, stupid, or both, or they'd "realize" what is going on.
Get a clue, lady. They realize it. They're in favor of it. The ones who aren't, as evidenced by the most recent election results, are in the minority.
Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital, creates an unequal society and does not provide equal opportunities for everyone in society to attain such status.This is untrue Unfortunately for you, the last 20 years or so have demonstrated to the majority of people that this is exactly the case, and not, as you assert, untrue.
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| Feb 13 @ 1:28 AM |
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| Feb 13 @ 1:32 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Heck, we could as easily say that the economic crisis and domestic unrest will be used by the right-wingers to stage a coup and topple the government. Install a fascist government, military rule, martial law, and all the other things the ultra-right-wingers desire so much.
As long as we're engaged in conspiracy theories, after all...
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not, as you assert, untrue
Faith-based society versus reality-based society. She WANTS it to be true, so because she has FAITH that it's true, that's enough proof.
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