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lacyvsq
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But Steve McCool did not say that the Secret Service should not have been notified or that the man should not have been stopped and interrogated about the sign...
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| Feb 21 @ 7:20 PM |
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Angel54214
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Maybe if Obama hadn't kept blocking The Born Alive Infants Protection Act, this infantcide would not have happened:
Lawsuit says abortionist made mom watch 'murder'
February 05, 2009
A Florida woman is suing an abortion business for forcing her to witness the "murder" of her daughter, who allegedly was "swept" into a biohazard bag to "suffocate and bleed to death."
WND reported previously on the 2006 case in Hialeah, Fla., which was sparked by an anonymous tipster who notified police of the death. The tipster later called back to prompt a police search that led to the discovery of the baby's body in the biohazard bag in a cardboard box in a closet.
The action was filed by attorneys working with the Thomas More Society and names as defendants the Miramar Woman Center, A GYN of Hialeah, Belkis Gonzalez, Siomara Senises, Frantz Bazile and others allegedly involved in the death of the baby, named Shanice Denise Osbourne.
The case is being brought on behalf of the mother, Sycloria Williams. Tom Brejcha, chief of the law society, said the goal is to establish that there was a wrongful death.
The claim was filed by prominent Miami personal injury attorney Tom Pennekamp, who was retained by the law society for the case.
The case alleges Shanice was born alive, then murdered "by defendant, abortion clinic owner, Belkis Gonzalez." The other defendants are cited for "unlicensed and unauthorized medical practice, botched abortions, evasive tactics, false medical records and the killing, hiding and disposing of the baby."
Should the case result in a determination there was a live birth and homicide, it could have national implications because of the issue of care that abortionists are required to provide to babies who survive abortions. While he was a state lawmaker, President Obama opposed such rules, arguing they imposed too great a burden on the abortionist. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=87977
Florida authorities revoke license for botched abortion; woman says baby born live
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Renelique described saving a woman's life during the second year of his medical residency in Haiti. He later left his home country to work and train in the United States. It was never his intention to do abortions, he said.
"That was not part of my goals when I came to Florida," he said. "But I had to do it to survive." http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-0206botched-abortion,0,5636461.story
Florida Baby Killed in Unlicensed Abortion, Hidden on Roof, Gets Proper Burial
http://www.lifenews.com/state3533.html
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| Feb 21 @ 7:44 PM |
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PullMyFinger
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I'm not going to get involved with your little schoolyard pissing match. I read the abuse forum and it always seems like the same people are always crying about crap in this forum. It's the same cast, over and over again. If you can't differentiate between real life and the Internet, you really need to take some time off the computer, aborted so to speak.
The officer (sic) was wrong and knowing how police agencies operate, he's paying the price...maybe not the way some would hope, but his compadres are probably giving him hell about it. That can be worse than any mark in your personnel records.
But, I think the most surprising thing about the whole incident and I know some of you missed it.....aren't you surprised that someone in Oklahoma knows how to read?
I was...
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| Feb 21 @ 7:48 PM |
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BandTMom
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Most people in Oklahoma know how to read. We can type too. 
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| Feb 21 @ 7:48 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Maybe if Obama hadn't kept blocking The Born Alive Infants Protection Act, this infantcide would not have happened: ?????
I certainly don't understand what a criminal act by someone in Florida has to do with Obama having been on the opposing side of a bill that was passed over 6 years ago.
The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act ("BAIPA" Pub.L. 107-207, 116 Stat. 926, enacted August 5, 2002) is an Act of Congress. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion.
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| Feb 21 @ 7:50 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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angel..do you even read and comprehend what you post?? or just the headlines?? 
Florida authorities revoke license for botched abortion; woman says baby born live
The Department of Health said Renelique was scheduled to perform an abortion on a teenager who was 23 weeks pregnant in 2006. Sycloria Williams had been given drugs in advance to dilate her cervix.
According to the complaint, she gave birth at a Hialeah clinic after waiting hours for Renelique to arrive. The complaint said one of the clinic owners put the baby in a bag that was thrown away.
Police found the infant's decomposing remains a week later.
A medical examiner determined the cause of death was extreme prematurity, .......
Renelique said he had advised the patient to come in early as a precaution, and that when he was en route to the clinic, he was called to tend to another patient having an emergency.
He said the clinic staff members didn't tell him about the delivery when he arrived
Fetal development - 23 weeks pregnant Your baby now weighs a little over one pound/ 500 grams and measures about 11.4 inches/ 29 centimetres from crown to heel. Her hearing is well established and she can make out a distorted version of your voice, the beating of your heart and your stomach rumblings. Loud noises often heard in utero, such as the barking of a dog next door or the roar of a vacuum cleaner, probably won't bother your child when she hears them outside the womb. In addition to advances in your baby's hearing, her lungs are developing to prepare for breathing. She's swallowing but she normally won't pass her first stool (called meconium) until after birth. If your baby were to be born now, she would have a small chance of survival (about 16 per cent) with the right care. Every day in the womb makes a difference at this stage. If she was born at 24 weeks her chance of survival would rise to 44 per cent. • Note: Experts say every baby develops differently -- even in utero. These fetal development pages are designed to give a general idea of how a fetus grows in the womb. http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment/23weeks/
and.. abortion clinics DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT CARE....
Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks." When the court ruled in 1973, the then-current medical technology suggested that viability could occur as early as 24 weeks. Advances over the past three decades have allowed fetuses that are a few weeks less than 24 weeks old to survive outside the woman's womb. These scientific achievements, while life-saving for premature babies, have made the determination of being "viable" somewhat more complicated. As of 2006, the youngest child to survive a premature birth in the United States was a girl born at the Baptist Hospital of Miami at 21 weeks and 6 days' gestational age.[5]
Week 16
How Big is the Baby at 16 Weeks Pregnant?
Your baby is even larger by pregnancy week 16, between 4.3 and a little over 4 ½ inches long, and probably weighs close to 3 ounces.
Your Baby's Growth and Development
Your baby is planning on doing some major growing in the next few weeks. By pregnancy 16 weeks she'll be able to hold her head slightly straighter, and her eyes are finally moving into their final position in the front of the head. The ears are doing the same, and now your baby is focusing her attention on complicated circulatory matters. Your baby's heart is pumping 25 quarts of blood every day, not bad for someone smaller than a grapefruit!
Your baby is also starting to grow hair and will continue to do so as you
continue your pregnancy week by week. You won't be able to tell what color hair your baby has until after birth, and even then your baby's hair may fall out and change colors completely at least once during the first few months of life! The same is true of our baby's eye color. Some baby's are born with blue eyes that gradually turn darker during the first couple of months of life!
By pregnancy week 16 the umbilical cord is now firmly attached to your baby's belly as well, providing numerous nutrients to your little one. At this point in time your baby's legs are starting to grow longer than the arms!
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| Feb 21 @ 8:01 PM |
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Angel54214
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angel..do you even read and comprehend what you post?? or just the headlines?? 
Always! And do you ever research the full stories of an incident??
Sycloria Williams and her boyfried Shane changed their mind on the abortion while on their way to the clinic of the 2nd day. (Google her story).
The baby was given a name (Shanice Denise Osbourne)...the baby was given a funeral.
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"He said that it was a two-day procedure, to take my medicines, and come back the next day. He just said it like one, two, three," she told the Florida Catholic.
Williams said Renelique inserted laminaria and gave her a prescription for Cytotec, a brand of the drug misoprostol that is an ulcer medication and not supposed to be used in association with an abortion.
Williams eventually received a call from the daughter of abortion business owner Belkis Gonzalez and made her way to the A Gyn center to complete the abortion. On the way there, she and her then-boyfriend Shane decided not to complete the abortion.
She received another dosage of Cytotec and waited in her car for the drug to work.
Williams told the newspaper how she recalls the labor intensifying and being unable to comply with requests from the abortion center staff not to deliver her baby, who was born on the couch in the abortion facility. http://www.lifenews.com/state3857.html
Misoprostol
Labor induction:
Misoprostol is commonly prescribed off-label to cause labor induction by promoting uterine contractions and the ripening (effacement or thinning) of the cervix. Misoprostol is considered to be more effective than oxytocin and dinoprostone, the FDA-approved drugs for medically necessary labor induction.
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| Feb 21 @ 8:08 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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and your point is??
http://www.lifenews.com/state3857.html
Earlier this month, the Florida Board of Medicine revoked the license of abortion practitioner Pierre Jean-Jacque Renelique after declaring him guilty of medical malpractice.
The panel also found him guilty of wrongly delegating a medical responsibility meant for physicians to unlicensed personnel.
In the interview, Williams said she was "reluctant at first" to have the abortion "but as time passed it became more and more of an option."
After finding out that an abortion at the Miramar Woman Center was more than she could afford, Williams went to Renelique.
"He said that it was a two-day procedure, to take my medicines, and come back the next day. He just said it like one, two, three," she told the Florida Catholic.
Williams said Renelique inserted laminaria and gave her a prescription for Cytotec, a brand of the drug misoprostol that is an ulcer medication and not supposed to be used in association with an abortion.
Williams eventually received a call from the daughter of abortion business owner Belkis Gonzalez and made her way to the A Gyn center to complete the abortion. On the way there, she and her then-boyfriend Shane decided not to complete the abortion.
She received another dosage of Cytotec and waited in her car for the drug to work.
Williams told the newspaper how she recalls the labor intensifying and being unable to comply with requests from the abortion center staff not to deliver her baby, who was born on the couch in the abortion facility.
"When I saw that happen, I jumped off the chair and turned away, facing the wall," Williams said.
"She wasn't moving much. Twitching, gasping for air. She wasn't crying though, just hissing. Hissing sounds only," Williams said of Shanice. "I thought it would be a blob thing, but bigger, not a baby," she said. "She looked like a Water Baby. Like those dolls you fill up with water."
"They never said anything to me that would make me think it was a baby. They never said anything like ‘baby,’ ‘fetus.’ Nothing. They only said things like ‘termination’ and ‘pregnancy’ and ‘termination of pregnancy,'" she said.
Williams says Gonzalez, who has no medical training, then came in and took the baby and put her in a biohazard bag.
She told the newspaper that the staff just gave her a pain reliever and told her to calm down and wait for the abortion practitioner to arrive.
Renelique arrived 60 minutes later and no one called 911 or a local medical center for help. The abortion practitioner gave Williams a shot to put her to sleep.
Detectives went to the abortion center after an anonymous tip and later executed a search warrant but didn't find the baby's body until six days later.
Now, Williams has changed her mind about abortion and would keep her baby if she had it to do all over again.
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| Feb 21 @ 8:11 PM |
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Angel54214
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And your point is?? 
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| Feb 21 @ 8:23 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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my point now is that you seem off the deep end here.. and are evidently in favor of Obama being "aborted".
..which is.. no matter how you slice it the same as me, if I was as off the deep end.. as you seem to be here with your posts...telling you that I wish someone would (kill ...abort)... you...to stop you from posting here...
sort of like...save matchdoctor...abort Angel54214...... 
get it yet??
disclaimer...Angel can post anything that she see's fit.. and it is only up to the moderators to determine if she really is off the deep end..or not.. or just baiting
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| Feb 21 @ 8:40 PM |
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Angel54214
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my point now is that you seem off the deep end here.. and are evidently in favor of Obama being "aborted".
Nope! You still haven't grasped any of my posts as yet. The man Harrison tells in the video exactly what his sign mean't..."Terminate or Remove" Obama, meaning from his office. Listen to him again!
http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/02/20/about-that-abort-obama-poster-case/
..which is.. no matter how you slice it the same as me, if I was as off the deep end.. as you seem to be here with your posts...telling you that I wish someone would kill you...to stop you from posting here...
sort of like...save matchdoctor...abort Angel54214...... Your post is mute and contains threatening intentions, which is not allowed in these forums! Read my first quote here and listen to the "complete video"
disclaimer...Angel can post anything that she see's fit.. and it is only up to the moderators to determine if she really is off the deep end..or not.. or just baiting
disclaimer...seems GH can post anything he sees fit and even give a death threat to a member!
Get It???
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| Feb 21 @ 8:41 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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see.. you are off the deep end..as I wish you no harm.. but you took it that way...
now all I need is a video to further explain just what I meant...
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| Feb 21 @ 8:45 PM |
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BandTMom
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Just a reminder....just as this thread isn't about race, it's not about abortion either.
Once again, I ask, if this "slogan" would have been on a bumper sticker, should the sticker have been ripped off and the manufacturer been investigated too.
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| Feb 21 @ 8:49 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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a sign is more a threat than a bumper sticker...imho..
the person making the sign went through much more trouble than just sticking on a bumper sticker.. that has an assumption of..being within the freedom of speech
as after all a bumper sticker was sold/bought...
but this call is beyond me.. as there is no way to determine intent...
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| Feb 21 @ 8:49 PM |
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Angel54214
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Once again, I ask, if this "slogan" would have been on a bumper sticker, should the sticker have been ripped off and the manufacturer been investigated too.
Mom...my opinion for an answer would be "no." I've seen worse bumber stickers, vehicle stickers and sidewalk graffiti writings than that sign...lol.
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| Feb 21 @ 8:50 PM |
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pomegranate
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To answer your question, BandT, if the sign had instead been a bumper sticker that said, "Abort Obama," the manufacturer could very well be investigated. There are laws against threatening the POTUS, you know, and even "manufacturers" of such threats are subject to the same actions as those who display them. Again, it depends. The point is NOT whether the sign was returned to the guy; the POINT is that the sign could have been construed as a threat. The matter was investigated and it was determined that the sign (or the man who displayed it, that is) was not a threat and the matter was dropped at that point. That's no different from any other police investigation. If you're suspect, then you're questioned. If there's not enough evidence to suggest you've broken any laws, then you're released. No innocent, law-abiding person would have a problem with that; they know laws exist for a reason. And, what's more, MOST would have at least a few brain cells in their head to figure out displaying such a sign just MIGHT be construed as a threat of some kind.
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| Feb 21 @ 8:53 PM |
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MrPaul
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No It is covered under free speech.......Just as the mankin that was dressed up to look like Sarah Palin and hung outside a window during the campaign was..................Interesting if someone did a mankin of Obama like that it would be called a hate crime. Just shows how messed up this country is
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| Feb 21 @ 8:57 PM |
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BandTMom
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MrPaul!   That is a great example of the double standard we are looking at here.
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So are these people under investigation. Did they get their idea from the man in OKC, or did he get his from them?
Abort Obama Bupper Sticker here
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| Feb 21 @ 8:57 PM |
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MrPaul
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 POM  (No innocent, law-abiding person would have a problem with that; they know laws exist for a reason.) A lot of the laws exist so the police can harass and intimidate law abiding citzens  They had no legal right to stop him in the first place 
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| Feb 21 @ 8:59 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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http://www.local12.com/mostpopular/story/Fairfield-City-Leaders-Condemn-Anti-Obama-Display/7vPDOfgkJkGeqPixjvHC0Q.cspx
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