| Mar 3, 2009 @ 7:37 PM |
My Sunday School teacher was found dead yesterday!
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uab_5
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Chicago Tribune said:
Police said this morning that the man involved in an apparent double murder-suicide in Wilmette shot and killed his wife and her son on Saturday with a replica Civil War gun, then killed himself a day later after leaving a 40-page note saying that he wouldn't go back to jail.
The bodies of Richard Wiley, 54, Kathryn Wiley-Motes, 50, and Christopher Motes, 17, were found Monday afternoon in their home at 826 Greenleaf Ave. Wiley and his wife were found in a second-floor bedroom, and Christopher Motes was found in an upstairs bathroom, police said.
Autopsies showed that Wiley died of a gunshot wound in the mouth, Wiley-Motes died of a gunshot wound to the neck and Motes died of a gunshot to the face. Investigators found a muzzle-loading long gun they believe Motes used in Civil War reenactments next to Wiley's body, police said at a press conference this morning.
It appeared that Wiley had sawed off the barrel. Motes had a valid Firearm Owner Identification Card, police said. Police said Wiley left two suicide notes -- one inside the front door directing the reader to call Wilmette police, and a second one upstairs that was 40 pages long.
Deputy Chief Brian King called the longer note a "rambling dissertation" that was handwritten and showed "hints of remorse." Wiley indicated in the note that he had argued with his wife and killed her. He then shot Christopher.
The mother and son had been shot once each in the head, police said. Police said they had no prior contact at the home and there were no orders of protection against Wiley. Wiley was sentenced in 1987 to 30 years in prison for stabbing his 25-year-old wife to death two years earlier. At the time, he claimed insanity because of "intermittent explosive disorder."
Former Cook County Assistant State's Atty. James Morici said of all the violent criminals he prosecuted in more than seven years, Wiley was the one who gave him chills.
"I remember that case vividly," Morici said in a Monday interview. "Oh, my God. ... Sometimes people have asked me over the years if there is anybody I was afraid would come after me. And the only one I could think of was Richard Wiley. I could picture him sitting in the penitentiary, biding his time."
In that case, he called police himself and when they arrived, he was "leaning over the victim, hugging her and crying, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry,' " according to a 1987 Tribune account.
Wiley told a detective he was angry at her because he heard a comment about her staying out late, and believed she was having an affair. He told the detective he picked up a ceremonial knife and stabbed his wife several times--23 times, according to the autopsy.
The judge rejected the insanity claim. Intermittent explosive disorder, or IED, is defined as repeated, uncontrollable anger attacks that often become violent. Wiley was paroled in 2000 and discharged from supervision three years later.
A relative of Kathryn Wiley-Motes, who lives in Minneapolis, said Monday that she knew about her husband's criminal history when they wed after his release from prison.
"He served how many years in jail and got out for good behavior and supposedly was clean," said the man, who identified himself as the partner of David Motes, Wiley-Motes' brother. He declined to give his name.
At this morning's press conference, Pastor Sarah Butter, head of the First Presbyterian Church of Wilmette, said that members of the congregation knew of Wiley's criminal past, but "our faith community welcomed and loved him."
Even so, Butter several times over the years asked Motes-Wiley, who worked at the church, if she felt safe living with Wiley. The pastor would not say what prompted her questions.
Wiley, who met his wife at the church, was known as a friendly man with a good sense of humor, but one who "struggled with tremendous health complications."
He had been receiving mental health treatment and had several surgeries that caused him to live in pain, she said.
Motes, a senior at New Trier Township High School, planned to study U.S. history when he enrolled in college this fall.
He had been accepted to Roanoke College in Virginia, but was waiting to hear from Washington and Lee University and Gettysburg College. He was a Civil War buff who participated in reenactments in Wisconsin, a teachers and advisers said.
Wiley-Motes had led religious studies at the Living Faith United Methodist Church in Waukegan. She came to the north suburban church about a decade ago as a student pastor from the Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary, said Pastor Melissa Earley.
R.I.P. Kathy, Chris,...and Rick. 
Please pray for all of them.
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| Mar 3, 2009 @ 8:58 PM |
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BandTMom
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I'm sorry, UAB.
I will keep them and you in my thoughts.
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| Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:13 PM |
My Sunday School teacher was found dead yesterday!
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Loreli
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Aww, uab-that is so sad.
You all are in my thoughts and prayers.
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| Mar 3, 2009 @ 9:16 PM |
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uab_5
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Thank you, ladies.
To Mr. O - I'm sorry for the tirade.
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| Mar 3, 2009 @ 11:04 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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uab_5.....I am sorry to hear that for everyone involved. A person never knows what goes on in another's mind to touch off these violent tendencies.
Just a shame!
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| Mar 4, 2009 @ 6:23 PM |
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Bj864
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How sad. You must be feeling really shocked. She took a chance on him and lost the ultimate. He probably had a lot of good points too or she probably wouldn't have married him. One has to wonder what happened to him to cause him to do such things. Too bad he got the chance to do it twice.
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| Mar 4, 2009 @ 8:17 PM |
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uab_5
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Thanks BJ.
Last night I prayed for Rick Wiley, her killer. It was the hardest think I've done in a long time.
As a Christian I'm taught to forgive those who have sinned against us. I so badly want to hate him, but I can't.
God bless.
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| Mar 4, 2009 @ 8:50 PM |
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lazareth
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what a tragedy...... I am so sorry uab....
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| Mar 4, 2009 @ 9:01 PM |
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Angel54214
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uab...I extend my spiritual solitude to you and to all others in relations to this family. Hoping my warm hugs and prayers from afar, will reach your soul and lead you to the gate of serenity.
 
Maybe in his 40 page letter, there is some answers as to why Wiley chose this path again over 8 years later, and what went wrong within him.
I did find an update with a photo to share in case you or others wish to read it...if not than please just bypass the news article:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-wilmette-murder-suicide-04-mar04,0,5682355.story?track=rss
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| Mar 4, 2009 @ 11:01 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I went to chapel three times a week for four years of High School and really only remember the gist of one chapel speech. It was about praying for your 'enemies'. The preacher/speaker said that you can not long be angry at or hateful toward someone for whom you pray.
I am glad that you have been able to experience that truth. At the same time, I am sorry for your loss. Remember that there is no death, just a passing away....
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| Mar 5, 2009 @ 11:06 AM |
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eastham
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UAB, I feel terribly for you and for the members of your congregation who knew this family.
A couple of chilling notes I found in this story:
I would be very surprised if Wiley truly had IED. Prison is an extremely stressful environment, yet Wiley was a model prisoner. If he had IED, he would not have been able to navigate prison as successfully as he had in the first place.
To my eyes and those of the prosecutor, Wiley was an obvious sociopath. No doubt he was superficially charming, which is why his second wife "took a chance on him" and why he could fit into the fabric of the church community. It is not beyond the behavior of a sociopath to join a church to look for his next victim. And it explains his behavior at the gruesome death of his first wife. I wouldn't doubt that his health problems and pain weren't phantoms, excuses for him not having to work. This is another common trick of sociopaths.
I also found the use of both a ceremonial knife in the killing or his first wife and the Civil War replica firearm used in the murder of his stepson and second wife. There is something odd about using these particular weapons and indeed the use of the Civil War replica firearm in the most recent deaths really makes me wonder about the alleged IED, because it makes the ceremonial knife more of a choice and less of an implusive weapon.
And lastly, the suicide note. The account in the Chicago Tribune states that the note had "hints of remorse." Of course it did. A sociopath has no remorse, because he has no conscience. Therefore, he can only attempt remorse.
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| Mar 5, 2009 @ 11:39 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermittent_explosive_disorder
Wiley was sentenced in 1987 to 30 years in prison for stabbing his 25-year-old wife to death two years earlier. At the time, he claimed insanity because of "intermittent explosive disorder."
In that case, he called police himself and when they arrived, he was "leaning over the victim, hugging her and crying, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry,' " according to a 1987 Tribune account.
Wiley told a detective he was angry at her because he heard a comment about her staying out late, and believed she was having an affair. He told the detective he picked up a ceremonial knife and stabbed his wife several times--23 times, according to the autopsy.
The judge rejected the insanity claim. Intermittent explosive disorder, or IED, is defined as repeated, uncontrollable anger attacks that often become violent. Wiley was paroled in 2000 and discharged from supervision three years later.
A relative of Kathryn Wiley-Motes, who lives in Minneapolis, said Monday that she knew about her husband's criminal history when they wed after his release from prison.
At this morning's press conference, Pastor Sarah Butter, head of the First Presbyterian Church of Wilmette, said that members of the congregation knew of Wiley's criminal past, but "our faith community welcomed and loved him."
Even so, Butter several times over the years asked Motes-Wiley, who worked at the church, if she felt safe living with Wiley. The pastor would not say what prompted her questions.
Wiley, who met his wife at the church, was known as a friendly man with a good sense of humor, but one who "struggled with tremendous health complications."
He had been receiving mental health treatment and had several surgeries that caused him to live in pain, she said.
not going to blame the victim.. 
but...this person should never have been released from prison..
anyone stabbing someone 23 times... should earn the death penalty..imho...
the "system" failed society.....
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| Mar 5, 2009 @ 11:53 AM |
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eastham
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He certainly should never have been allowed out.
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