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odaimoku
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Who is more patriotic Democrats, Liberals, Republicans, Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Independents, etc (and why do you think so) ?
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| Apr 8 @ 4:45 PM |
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Loreli
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Any person that defends their country and her people...no matter who is in charge.
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| Apr 8 @ 4:56 PM |
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odaimoku
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great answer  
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| Apr 8 @ 5:29 PM |
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arieann
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I think the hard working people are more patriotic.There is not a single job not important to someone in the USA.
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| Apr 8 @ 5:52 PM |
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capobeachguy
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Who is more patriotic Democrats, Liberals, Republicans, Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Independents, etc
V - E - T - E - R - A - N - S 
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| Apr 8 @ 5:54 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Thanks Capo!
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| Apr 8 @ 5:54 PM |
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Peabianjay
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Any person that defends their country and her people...no matter who is in charge. Agreed!
I'll add in, "...defend....against threats from within and without.
Blindly following, or attacking, goverment (etc) is equally unpatriotic.
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| Apr 8 @ 5:57 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Jay: Blindly following, or attacking, goverment (etc) is equally unpatriotic.
...You never served in your Canadian military, did you? Why not?
...Something tells me you would be shot for desertion rather quickly here in the US military. 
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| Apr 8 @ 6:08 PM |
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legacy1
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Any person that defends their country and her people...no matter who is in charge.
Great answer!!
I think the hard working people are more patriotic.There is not a single job not important to someone in the USA .
Another great one..way to go!
V - E - T - E - R - A - N - S
I have an uncle who served and he loves his country!
Blindly following, or attacking, goverment (etc) is equally unpatriotic.
Agreed!
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| Apr 8 @ 6:12 PM |
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odaimoku
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Blindly following, or attacking, goverment (etc) is equally unpatriotic.
That's why I felt that standing up to Bush's illegal war in Iraq ( my opinion) was patriotic, and supporting President Obama in pulling the troops out is as well; and I don't see a contradiction in that either. Our Constitution in fact instructs us to stand up to our Government when ever it's fails to act in the best interest of the citizenry. Our elected official are suppose to follow the Constitution in the exercise of their duties. And I for one think that to object when they don't shows more patriotism than sitting on ones hands or supporting acts which we know full well are against the Constitution. Such as torture, going to war with a country based on lies and misrepresentation, inciting class war, discrimination, allowing funding for religious activities, secret assassination rings ( Cheney), having secret files on folks like MLKjr ( J. Edgar), sleeping with interns ( Clinton), malicious prosecution of folks like Ted Stevens ( Bush admin), etc, etc, etc.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:15 PM |
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arieann
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And this started out to be such a beautiful thread about who is patriotic rather than who is not.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:20 PM |
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thor22
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well, kokopelli is starting to make some real sense now, hey!
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| Apr 8 @ 6:25 PM |
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odaimoku
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this is really "O's" computer alter-ego...."O" is really at the beach-boardwalk, sipping DR Pepper, and watchin the babes. 
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| Apr 8 @ 6:50 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Who is more patriotic ?
Precision Thinkers who reject "political correctness" and are willing to stand up to the barbs of "the claque" by rejecting socialism and liberalism out-of-hand as being pathways to a failed state when private property rights are abolished, with kudos for upholding the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, who having considered the totality of the circumstances, and having weighed what is in the best interests of human rights through global military hegemony of the Earth by advocating a 21st Century Doctrine of regime change by any means necessary, for any state that fails to adhere to Constitutional provisions that uphold the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights or that sponsors or suborns genocide, terrorism, piracy, International criminal cartels, state religions, the subjugation of women, or tyranny, thereby establishing and maintaining the planetary goal of a Universal Free World of moderate centrist states where dictatorships of the extreme political left and also dictatorships of the extreme political right are abolished for all time and eternity.
The test of American patriotism is the desire to uphold or an abdication of the principle to liberate the oppressed and extend the borders of the Free World where there is no barriers to free trade, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want, freedom from terror, freedom from oppression, freedom of thought, freedom to vote, freedom to own personal property, freedom to enjoy the true administration of justice, freedom to cast off all trappings of dynasty, dictatorship of the proletariet, the state ownership of the means of production, and where public education features the history of the evils of fascism, socialism, communism, warlordism, and where no religious court shall exercise any power other than to expel or disfellowship a member or a cleric, being specifically barred from imposing any fine, corporal punishment, imprisonment, or the death penalty.
There is both patriotism to one's country as well as patriotism to human rights.
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| Apr 8 @ 7:01 PM |
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SensualGemini
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O: That's why I felt that standing up to Bush's illegal war in Iraq ( my opinion) was patriotic, and supporting President Obama in pulling the troops out is as well; and I don't see a contradiction in that either
...Whoa... stop right there... Obama is not pulling anyone out of the Middle East, but simply moving them around to flank Iran, which is a good move, if he does not triple Pakistan's funding to our enemies.
...Check out a map sometime.
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Patriot:noun 1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion. 2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government. Patriot Definition
...Now, if you are a defender of individual rights, against the interference by the federal government, you would certainly not be voting for those that will further increase this interference, or a larger government.
...As near as I can tell, the Liberals are all for a larger government, so that leaves them out of being a patriot. Not all Democrats are for a larger government, nor are the rest of your mentioned political entities, but the individual may be for some.
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...The bottom line is that a soldier does not have the option of standing up to anything in war, but the enemy, as the POTUS is the Commander in Chief and if Congress gives the go ahead, we are at war; which they did.
...He/she could desert, but that is a hanging offense.
...To blindly fight and die for your country, as your government deemed such war as so, is about as patriotic as the term can apply. Any other entity is a hit and miss occurrence for who is a patriot and who is not, with the exception of the Liberal who will not fight, while voting for more government.
...Hey, I did not make up the definition, as it has been around for about 500 years now.
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| Apr 8 @ 7:05 PM |
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Peabianjay
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You never served in your Canadian military, did you? Why not? If/when the Canadian military is free to serve our people, rather than obey the directives of foreign powers.
If/when the Canadian military is restricted to defending Canada, rather than participating in invasions, incursions & oppression.
Something tells me you would be shot for desertion rather quickly here in the US military No doubt.
I'm willing to die for what I believe in.
And there are those that wish to kill me for having those beliefs.
Fortunately, that's a crime here.
Para: ...no barriers to free trade, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want, freedom from terror, freedom from oppression, freedom of thought, freedom to vote, freedom to own personal property, freedom to enjoy the true administration of justice, freedom to cast off all trappings of dynasty, dictatorship of the proletariet, the state ownership of the means of production, and where public education features the history of the evils of fascism, socialism, communism, warlordism So, you oppose the american government, after all? Fancy that. Or perhaps, you mean "Freedom to conform"?
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| Apr 8 @ 7:09 PM |
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Peabianjay
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As near as I can tell, the Liberals are all for a larger government, Socialists, yes. Liberals, no.
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| Apr 8 @ 7:20 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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As near as I can tell, the Liberals are all for a larger government, Socialists, yes. Liberals, no.
Yesssssssssssssss a thousand times yesssssssssssssss
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| Apr 8 @ 7:30 PM |
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arieann
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Precision Thinkers are more patriotic. 
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| Apr 8 @ 7:33 PM |
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BandTMom
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Once again it appears that some trying to put everyone in neat little boxes.
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