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musicianfriend
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Teens caught making child pornography
When I was young...this would never ever be a headline..
Orgies were a practice of the lawless people..people with no moral compass...usually the people that dragged the society down with their problems..addictions..depression.
Moral decay..
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In the past...Amerca had evolved into a beautiful society of hard working Americans..successful vibrant community of people...people responsible for themselves...not expecting anything from their government..
I remember neighborhood after neighborhood of peoples living contently together...rarely any problems...
Children laughing and playing in the streets...all going home at suppertime to eat a meal prepared by their stay at home mother and the meal attended by mother, father, siblings and perhaps a neighbor or two....
We never would even think to backtalk our parents...we did what we were told to do..thus preparing us for adulthood and the responsiblities that we would face..
We had bath time...bed time...breakfast time..dinner time...We actually had a schedule...a schedule was the job of our stay at home mother..She kept the family in good working order..
We were expected to be in school everyday...and we were expected to keep good grades..OR ELSE!!
We actually had grandparents because our families were intact. So we would probably be mowing grandmas lawn that weekend..or sitting around the table, grandparents sharing fun stories with the children...
We would watch Huckleberry Hound, Mickey Mouse., Andy of Mayberry...I love Lucy...Carol Burnett Show...
We NEVER saw anything even remotly close to Simpsons...Ozzy Ozborne...Family Guy...Howard Stern...NEVER would we be molested with this type of television programming..
Nor did we ever play video games that involved blood and guts or half naked sensual women...
We were protected from all profanity..yes..parents didnt cuss around their children..
We were NEVER subjected to pornography..or half naked women biting into hamburgers seductively in commercials..
This is what family life used to look like in America back in the 60's when I was raised..
A country of the people...by the people and for the people..
Our founding fathers made it clear that we were to be responsible to sustain ourselves..and live as responsible citizens..
This headline alone speaks volumes of where we are today as a society..
How did we come to this place on only 40-50 short years...Not a long time when you look at the country as a 220 year old country...
These children have lost their modesty...how did that happen? Something had to have happened to them before modesty can be lost..
I dont remember ANY kids when i was young ever being able to do such a thing..they had modesty....alot of young people today have no idea now modest my generation was in their teens..and how beneficial it was to their lives...
So I ask you...are we now evolving backwards?
Going back to hedonistic debased behaviors? Perversion?
A immoral society never flourishes...
Women and children always suffer in these situations. As this link proves....they are but lost people..lost in a sesspool of a now immoral nation.
ARE WE EVOLVING BACKWARDS?
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| Apr 16 @ 6:49 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Back in the day, no girl had to "go visit relatives" for six to nine months...
Some perspective
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| Apr 16 @ 7:20 PM |
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arieann
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Today, I was approached by a 17 year old boy. He admitted he was 17 when I ask his age.He ask me if i would go into the store to buy him a pack of cigarettes. He told me he would give me the money for the cigarettes. When I was his age, I would have never ask an adult to do something illegal for me. Of course, I turned him down.
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SweetNapaGuy
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Back in the day, it was expected to market cigarettes to children...
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| Apr 16 @ 7:26 PM |
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sealacamp
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Back in the day, it was expected to market cigarettes to children...
Yeah if you were scum it was expected. It was also expected that you would get caught and charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, get a bad rep in the neighborhood, and generally be shunned. That has reversed itself and many people praise sickos like that now.
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| Apr 16 @ 7:53 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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So the tobacco industry DIDN'T market to children, eh?
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| Apr 16 @ 7:57 PM |
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jamminjerry
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finally a point of reference. so, lets us go backwards. pick a point of reference. let us perhaps start with the 8th day? i did not think so. you and your kind only wish to preach the doctrine of your teacher. selah. we be jammin 
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| Apr 16 @ 8:01 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Back in the day, no girl had to "go visit relatives" for six to nine months...
...There were not many that had to do this for some reason.
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...I agree with most of the OP and exactly how I raised my four sons. The siht that is on TV, the violent video games, the anything goes with sexuality that children in their formative years are subjected to as a their babysitter, the increasing disrespect of parents, more often than not of broken homes, of school teachers, or anyone in a position of authority and we have yet to see the further results of our "evolving society."
...It was a different era, where everyone knew everyone and most Mom's were at home, but the feminist movement deemed that raising the future of this country was not a worthy occupation... while the increasing me-ism has resulted in a very selfish society of what is in it for me and to hell with anyone else.
...We have seen a doubling of our populous in the past 50 years or so and one can only wonder what this country will be like after the next 50. For certain, there is a failure on the horizon, as Rome was the perfect example of a society that evolved into socialism, internally divided and subsequently collapsed under it's own weight.
...But, there is still an Italy...
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SweetNapaGuy
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Every point of reference says "this point in time was perfect; any divergence from it, before or after, was debased." The claim is that our current generation has rejected the values of the past.
Strangely, though, the generation before THAT probably had the same opinion about the last generation...
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SensualGemini
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Napa: So the tobacco industry DIDN'T market to children, eh?
...40 years ago, when I was in school, they had a smoking area for kids that had a permission slip from their parents and there were less than 5% that smoked. As well, marijuana grew everyplace and I don't know anyone that smoked weed, until after it became illegal when I was in high school.
...We did not need laws to stop smoking by minors, as we had parents that would put their foot up your a** if you were caught smoking. It was not the responsibility of the government to be the babysitter. 
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canadianbbw
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Unfortunately, violence against women and children has been around for a very long time. If it didn't make headlines in the very peaceful, bucolic 60s, it still occurred nonetheless---but was kept hush-hush, with far fewer resources for such victims to turn to. As bad as it may seem today, there is greater public awareness of longstanding social problems.
I dont remember ANY kids when i was young ever being able to do such a thing..they had modesty What does the production of child pornography have to do with modesty? Or orgies? To make such a connection really trivializes this heinous crime.
We were NEVER subjected to pornography. I'm glad you weren't. I was, and so were many other children back then. You walk among people every day in their 40s, 50s, 60s and beyond who were sexually, or otherwise abused at home. There was no Utopia for us---which means there was none at all.
We would watch...I love Lucy A wonderful show, I agree, made by a chronic womanizer and the first woman to head a tv production company. Life has always been more complex than it may seem.
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jamminjerry
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and so, only 40 years ago? no prob. 40 years ago will suffice. who was the prez? which group was in charge? the point becomes who shall we blame or who shall be bestow accolades? we be jammin.
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| Apr 16 @ 9:10 PM |
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musicianfriend
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Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.
The study of heresy is heresiology. The founder or leader of a heretical movement is called a heresiarch. One who espouses heresy is called a heretic.
People who supporeverything that is anti-Christian..yet profess to be Christian.....i just have to question their intentions here.
Most of the Christians on here hold up morality...decency...and self responsibility..
Lefty paid poster perhaps?..Trouble maker perhaps?
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| Apr 16 @ 9:46 PM |
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musicianfriend
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Back in the day, no girl had to "go visit relatives" for six to nine months...
EVERY girl Napa? I think not..I only remember 2 or 3...out of all the girls I knew...
Today..you can name more unwed mothers than wed mothers..
the statistics say that 50% of the children born today are to unwed mothers...gggeeessshh...and were still providing them with welfare.....hhhmm..I wonder if thats why this great phenominum is happening...Hey...Hey...Washington...are you freaking brain dead? Does anyone give a flip about all these poor little children being raised by the dregs of society?
Im sure theses little welfare kids with no daddies will all turn out to be brain surgeons and doctors and everything will be great in the new Utopia to come.......dont worry..folks.. 
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Every point of reference says "this point in time was perfect; any divergence from it, before or after, was debased." The claim is that our current generation has rejected the values of the past.
Strangely, though, the generation before THAT probably had the same opinion about the last generation...
Sorry..but no cigar...
These generations before the 60's were a much more pleasant time to live..except the shadow government caused depression era. but thats another story.......
I am speaking solely on morality...not money..not wealth..not power or position...but stability...and security...the stability and security that a family shares whether rich or poor...bottom line...so lets dont try to split hairs..ok?
You didnt live when we did...we know what we saw....and we know what we are seeing happening today in our society..
ITs not good..no matter how you want to paint it...its very very obvious that this society is full of narcissism...there is no sacrifice for the good of all much anymore..its all about self....#1...numero uno...selfishness has abound in America.
Just look at our government..It has nothing to do with what the people want...no no...only about what the Elites want to accomplish so they can stick a feather in their cap...lol..The only thing transparent in this administration is that they are sneaky and shady cronies.
Canadian....yes..there were some problems...but for the most part...times were good...
It was very rare to see abuse or divorce...sorry but it just was that way..
I lived in lower middle class america....Life wasnt rich..but it was good..most of america lived this way...
Posts: 81 Unfortunately, violence against women and children has been around for a very long time. If it didn't make headlines in the very peaceful, bucolic 60s, it still occurred nonetheless---but was kept hush-hush, with far fewer resources for such victims to turn to. As bad as it may seem today, there is greater public awareness of longstanding social problems.
True....but I believe that the abuse is on a much higher scale than in yesteryear....MOre people back then had higher standards than todays citizenery...
What does the production of child pornography have to do with modesty? Or orgies? To make such a connection really trivializes this heinous crime.
I was making a point about what kids today are exposed to and what kids WERE NEVER EXPOSED to in the 60's.
I'm glad you weren't. I was, and so were many other children back then. You walk among people every day in their 40s, 50s, 60s and beyond who were sexually, or otherwise abused at home. There was no Utopia for us---which means there was none at all.
Im sorry that happened to you...I know that these things did happen...but i have to believe on a much smaller scale than today...
Just think of all the drug addicts...children are there amongst them..while they are high..no one is watching them..they are molested...or get into the dope by accident..
.My sister was a crack addict...I do know what goes on and the type of devils these people are....It was a freaking nightmare I tell ya...a freaking nightmare..
A wonderful show, I agree, made by a chronic womanizer and the first woman to head a tv production company. Life has always been more complex than it may seem.
Wow..this is starting to feel like De Ja Vue.....Regardless of the creater of the show...doesnt matter..we never knew him or anything about him...
We enjoyed a cute little story about a very much in love married couple...The daddy took care of his family and the mommy did her duty as well and little Ricky was a very happy little boy...
Just like I was when I was little...a happy little girl in a safe enviroment and a home full of good food...clean sheets and a whole lot of security..
In turn...I have always been very responsible...capable of running my own business's...raised two awesome kids without the help of their daddy...he was busy having fun..ya know...My two kids have an awesome work ethic..not on drugs or booze...
See ...a healthy childhood creates a healthy adulthood..
I know people raised totally crappy that made it too...I talked to my friend about this thread today..This is my Army Ranger friend..
He was raised in a alcoholic home...abused by drunk stepfather...if shoes were too small...father cut toes out so feet would fit...never hardly any food in the house...slept outside my the livestock pens for fear of being around drunk step dad.....
He raised himself...and has been
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musicianfriend
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I know people raised totally crappy that made it too...I talked to my friend about this thread today..This is my Army Ranger friend..
He was raised in a alcoholic home...abused by drunk stepfather...if shoes were too small...father cut toes out so feet would fit...never hardly any food in the house...slept outside my the livestock pens for fear of being around drunk step dad.....
He raised himself...and has been a very successful father and superintendent for a major construction company...
But remember this...He told me that he would look at the 'good' families...and knew that when he grew up...that was the way he was going to live..
Are there alot of 'good' families these days?
I dont see many...The parents forgot to discipline their children and now we have a generation of DR. Spock spoiled rotten narcissists...
Today..the army ranger told me about his conversation with a 27 year old young man...raised by single mom....He still deems himself as a kid...
A KID? HES 27? What the heck happened?
I know many families, mine is one, raising the druggies kids...
Or child is so freaking spoiled he or she is like little Hitlers running the show...not the parents but the kids...I have even seen parents scared to death when their spoiled son will return home..They said its like living with a terrorist..
These are all true stories...and we are just looking at the tip of the iceburg...
I believe..if we dont turn this country around..and encourage a good 'change'...we are going to be in alot of trouble...And there are so many more Americans that see what I see...
I do worry when my generation is gone...what will happen..where will be the moral compass? Who will be the watchers trying to warn the people of impending danger? Such as some of us on here do...we do it because we care about our country..
What i and the others are saying here is true...
Sad thing is this...there are many in the younger generation that have no idea what Rockewells America was like and how wonderful it was..
It still exists today among the more moral and committed families....strive to be better..the best....anyone can do it..
And if your life was bad...dont wallow in a pitty party..that will only make you miserable...be determined to bust past that and just love yourself enough to strive for the best life ever...
The best life is one with a family involved...
Dont have a family? Then make one...be commited to that family..pick a partner that truly shares that dream...dont marry for looks or money but on good character..
This is what was intended for us from the beginning..a gift to humanity...The Family...
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Heaveninawildflower
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EVERY girl Napa? I think not..I only remember 2 or 3...out of all the girls I knew...
Today..you can name more unwed mothers than wed mothers..
Maybe you can, I sure can't...not that it matters a whole lot. The ones that I knew back in the day who 'had to get married' were usually divorced pretty quickly and generally had to chase their ex's for support. My godmother was 16 when she had her first baby (illegitimate), and said that the ward was full of other girls in the same boat she was in...her mother adopted the baby to keep it in the family - most people never knew the boy was my godmother's.
And back in the day, if kids wanted to buy cigarettes, they did it. Nobody asked for proof of age (I'm buying them for my mom or dad worked just fine - I was smoking at 13 and nobody ever questioned it).
I was born in 1943, and my mom was a working mother, as was hers, and her mother as well. Somehow the offspring all managed just fine. Grandma was the product of a gang rape that occurred back in the 19th century - great grandma raised her by herself, working as a domestic. Grandma was a widow with 7 kids who raised them by herself during the depression - and everybody did just fine. My mom was a working wife so they could buy their own home and raise their kids in it - and once again, everybody did just fine. I divorced when my kids were pre-schoolers and somehow they've both also done fine. Nobody's addicted, nobody's depressed, and I think our morals are fine - my youngest is my responsibility and always will be but my older son's self-supporting and in fact will make more than I will this year...paying taxes to keep things going, fiscally responsible, law-abiding and generally a really good guy to have around. His last landlord told him that if he moved back into the area, let him know and he'd kick any tenant out to let him back in.
Generalizations suck. I'd really love to see the ones talking about the good old days go back and try living in them to see what it was really like.
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| Apr 16 @ 10:41 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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EVERY girl Napa? I think not..I only remember 2 or 3...out of all the girls I knew...
Today..you can name more unwed mothers than wed mothers..
Wow. You went from my "no girl" to "EVERY girl." You really are one for extremes, aren't you?
Back alley abortions, shotgun weddings, women racing to get married before they started showing, women just up and moving out of town.
It may have been more repressive in your time, but it sure wasn't any more moral.
Just as your generation wasn't a bunch of sluts and radicals, even if the people who grew up in the 1900s and 1910s thought so.
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lefthandedluckie
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When I went to high school and with a parents signed slip a student could smoke and many did! And cigarette ads were directly marketed towards kids! The Camel filter ads with that Joe six-pack and all the stuff you could buy with those coupons....all for teenagers!
I have a walking Lark Package and a Joe Camel gas lighter! Plus, many other pieces of enticement from big tobacco.
And yes when I was 14 years old I could buy any cigarette I wanted....no questions asked!
The commercials...The Marlboro Man, Kent has got it all together, a good looking woman in a bikini! Winston, Camel all of those companies manipulated everyone they came in contact with! Greed and money!
And which party got all the money from their political funds....republicans! It was the Democrats that removed commercials from television and radio. It was Democrats that added the Surgeon Generals warning to all the packages. I am not saying some republicans did not help in these matters but, they were very few!
Orgies were a practice of young people drunk and out having a big time! With no thought about tomorrow! Moral decay huh? Sure has been a lot of moral decay in this country and it is still not stained yellow yet.....commercial I just remembered when I was a kid...." you wonder where the yellow went when you brush your teeth with Pepsodent "! 
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musicianfriend
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Generalizations suck. I'd really love to see the ones talking about the good old days go back and try living in them to see what it was really like
I lived in them..my friends did to...we all think it was a great time to be alive..things were good...IT was nice to go to someones house and there were parents...moms to show us stuff...and dads to show the guys stuff...
You just cant say its the same as today...to say so is just not being truthful and you know it..
So then..in your opinion...everything is just fine?
Theres no increase in crime...teenage pregnancy? I hear now 50% of children born are born to unwed mothers.
50% BORN TO UNWED MOTHERS....I DONT REMEMBER IT BEING THIS WAY WHEN THE FAMILIES WERE INTACT..
There was supervision and love at home..little girls werent looking for love in all the wrong places...get my drift.
And you dont think kids today are beligerent? Immoral? Out of control...Unprepared to live their own lives? You think they are just like we used to be? Not in my world they arent..Not in anyones world I know...
Maybe you can, I sure can't...not that it matters a whole lot. The ones that I knew back in the day who 'had to get married' were usually divorced pretty quickly and generally had to chase their ex's for support.
so your saying that all those girls who got married because they were pregnant got divorced? I dont think so..I know quite a few...actually a whole bunch from my school that are still married...all these years later...
My godmother was 16 when she had her first baby (illegitimate), and said that the ward was full of other girls in the same boat she was in...her mother adopted the baby to keep it in the family - most people never knew the boy was my godmother's.
I'll have to bet not as many as today...but today..they just get welfare...
I divorced when my kids were pre-schoolers and somehow they've both also done fine. Nobody's addicted, nobody's depressed, and I think our morals are fine -
So.. then..you are saying that your children were just fine not having a father? That their dad didnt matter in their lives? Im glad they are well...Mine are too as I was a single mom too...but I really DONT RECOMMEND IT AT ALL
In divorce..the children miss out on alot of good things that kids get with intact families with a Mom at home to be the Sarge in Charge..someone home to designate chores and outdoor playtime....and duties...not 8 hours of tv and ninetindo playing...
Theres no way on this earth that anyone can say that broken homes and single parent homes are just as good as traditional families...ITs just not possible and its just not true...There needs to be a mother and a father...
It may have been more repressive in your time, but it sure wasn't any more moral.
Just as your generation wasn't a bunch of sluts and radicals, even if the people who grew up in the 1900s and 1910s thought so.
The girls in my time were ladies..Not every single one of them..but the huge majority were..
Orgies were a practice of young people drunk and out having a big time! With no thought about tomorrow! Moral decay huh? Sure has been a lot of moral decay in this country and it is still not stained yellow yet.... .
Im sorry..but I really dont remember many 'orgies' when I was young...not like today....13 year olds having what they call 'pizza' parties...blow job parties for the young...while MOM IS WORKING AWAY FROM HOME... CHILDREN UNATTENDED...UN CARED FOR...
Im sorry..but this never happened in my day...it just didnt...and I do see a huge progression as the years go on..
Its not that Im appalled that these kids are being immoral persay..but much moreso that they are doing things that will permanently scar them...there will be guilt....STD's...perhaps some that will take their lives....they are not equiped to make a marriage work..they are spoiled and selfish...And worse of all..they will be terrible parents to their own children..because it seems they have no good examples of how to be a good parent..
Alot of these girls have no idea how to cook or take care of a home...I just dont call that 'love'....Their mothers are horrible to have let this happen..
My daughter and son have had to do their laundry since they were 12. ..and both can cook wonderfully...My daughter ran my restaurant while I was gone for a bit at the age of 10...she could cook on the grill, give change..she made the potatoe salad and the banana bread from scratch...cookies...BBQ the tri tips..with me...I taught her alot...
My son was in charge of the outside...the barns, horses and the cattle...It was his job to mow the lawns...
When he was older and started his own business...he hired a man to mow the lawn for him... I didnt care..he paid for it...and it was done! He was around 17 or 18 at that point...He took care of business..the work was done..
I dont mean to toot my own horn..but its an example...I didnt run around haveing fun with my friends..i stayed home with my kids..they learned alot with me being there..I took them to all kinds of learning events..It was fun being a Mom...the best job ever..
Im sad that some today deem it as a boring or unfulfilling job..If thats how a woman feels..then shes not doing the job right and she has a bad attitude..Its sad that todays feminist movement trashes the mo
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