| May 21 @ 8:55 PM |
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Loreli
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No labels or conforming.
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| May 21 @ 10:01 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Good for you, Loreli. But I'm tempted to quibble a bit.
Bearing a label, whether self-identified or recognized by others, doesn't necessarily limit one's thinking. A label is just a descriptor that actually helps refine our individualism. I'm human, one of 6+ billion. I'm male, one of 3+ billion. I'm a father, one of 2+ billion. I'm white, one of 1+ billion.
When I say I'm a liberal, people can reasonably presume that there are certain political or social positions I favor over others. But that doesn't mean that I picked those positions because I'm a liberal. It's actually the opposite. I thought about those positions, and in my opinion, after thought, they are better in some way or another, and the collective positions I think are better that fall into what are considered liberal beliefs defines me as a liberal, not the other way around. The "unthinking" is on the part of those who believe any label wholly defines rather than refines who I am.
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| May 21 @ 10:02 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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Im proud to have you think for myself too.
And equally happy that I can agree to it or not. Its a free country.
KISSSSSES LORs.
You free thinker you.
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| May 22 @ 2:29 AM |
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WebMonster
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Owl: A label is just a descriptor that actually helps refine our individualism.
   Did he REALLY say that!?!?!?
Priceless!!
 Saluting Loreli for dedication to the merits of open-mind and free-thought processes.
Sure beats having others do our thinking for us!  As in the 'label' example above.
-WebMonster 
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| May 22 @ 3:00 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Knight: The "unthinking" is on the part of those who believe any label wholly defines rather than refines who I am.
...And then there are the totally delusional, who think they are liberal, but as true a Socialist as if a Stalin descendant. Don't deny; be proud....
...Enjoy the weekend!
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| May 22 @ 12:25 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And then there are those who think they are libertarian, but also think that the government has the right to define ultra-morality (i.e. THEIR version of morality, and not one step less... or one step more...). Not to mention other fascistic tendencies...
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| May 22 @ 12:27 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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| May 22 @ 3:47 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: And then there are those who think they are libertarian, but also think that the government has the right to define ultra-morality (i.e. THEIR version of morality, and not one step less... or one step more...). Not to mention other fascistic tendencies...
...And then are those that still need to obtain their GED (ask Burns, as he is still working on it) and hopefully, if they are not substituting "how to be a moron fag in public" class, they will learn that since the beginning of time, every society in the world determines what is socially acceptable and what is not by the majority.
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...You have only read what a fascist, socialist, communistic, etc., populous is like, whereas I have seen them all first hand. You perpetually spout your ideologies derived from a book, as the utopia of life, while I and many others have seen the results of an immoral society left to it's own demise.
...As a carry over from another thread, you define ultra-morality as being against blow jobs and anal sex in public, which leaves one to wonder where you draw the line, if you can even define morality.
...Just a guess and your personal guidelines are defined by whether or not whatever activity hurts someone else, but that would be wrong, as you are not going to help anyone else... so it can be funneled down to whether or not it effects you personally.
...Myself, I am all about the greater good for all of society, as a country that is slowly destroying itself by your lack of morality in maintaining unity.
...Personally, I would love to take you to Pakistan for about 6 months and not only would you be about a 100 pounds lighter, but you would no longer be an agnostic, but in appreciation, you would kiss the US soil upon your return and want to make it a better place for all; rather than destroying her from internal segregation and your perceived utopia from within the confines of being 40, no responsibilities, still living with Mommy and Daddy and studying political concepts that have never worked and never will.
...In layman's terms, you and Burns do not know jack siht about life.
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| May 22 @ 4:04 PM |
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kjac
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I've been given a few labels. Some fit, some don't. Labels aren't necessarily a bad thing. I'm a firm believer in "if the shoe fits, wear it".
For instance, if your morality is flexible (torture and forced sodomy) then it's called flexible. If you believe in magic, then you believe in magic.
A turd is a turd, whether you give it a label or not.
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| May 22 @ 4:08 PM |
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plowman
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unfair! when a woman runs around and snags men, they call her a slut...but when a man does the very same thing he is a hero/stud-muffin. I'd really like to meet me one of those so-called sluts!
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| May 22 @ 4:16 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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In layman's terms, you and Burns do not know jack siht about life.
Perhaps youre right. But unlike you I got plenty of time to learn, and not only that, I am able and willing to continue to learn. Unlike YOU, I know I dont know it all. Your life is nearing its end. I feel sad and sorry for you.
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| May 22 @ 4:59 PM |
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SensualGemini
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kjac: I've been given a few labels. Some fit, some don't. Labels aren't necessarily a bad thing. I'm a firm believer in "if the shoe fits, wear it".
...Nothing, absolutely nothing is ever as initially perceived. There is always more to it, always something a little different.
...Personally, I could care less what labels anyone attempts to apply to myself, as those that know me, also know that if nothing else, I am extremely dependable. You may not like what I have to say, but you can take any promise to the bank as etched in stone. I am just very careful about the wording...
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Burns: Perhaps youre right. But unlike you I got plenty of time to learn, and not only that, I am able and willing to continue to learn. Unlike YOU, I know I dont know it all. Your life is nearing its end. I feel sad and sorry for you.
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...Where in the hell do think I learned it from? The fact is, you don't have plenty of time, as whatever you do today, also determines your tomorrow. As well, you only get one chance to raise those kids; just one. Meantime, nobody lives long enough to make all the mistakes, so at least listen to someone that has been there, succeeded and lived through it.
...Hopefully, you have something planned to do with the kids this weekend. Whatever it is... enjoy!
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| May 22 @ 5:40 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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Oh what bliss it must be to lie in a constant state of know it all. Of self proclaim of high morals.
Nose stuck so far up in the air that one cant smell their own shit they leave behind.
Tick toc, tick toc goes your clock.
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| May 22 @ 6:00 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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@ SensualGemini:
You've "seen" what a true socialist is like, and yet have the balls to claim that this country HAS a socialist wing?
Pshaw!
This country doesn't have any sizable socialist group. We have "laissez-faire (everyone equal, but some more equal)" and "some regulation (gotta keep an eye on people's tendency to 'cheat')" groups, but socialists...?
Get real.
You're constantly misapplying the term. "Socialist this" and "socialist that." It makes it easier for you to dehumanize political opponents, and to ignore anything that might challenge your point of view.
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| May 22 @ 6:15 PM |
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plowman
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gee, isn't social securtiy insurance and medicare really a form of socialism? 
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| May 22 @ 6:17 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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No more so than insurance and pensions.
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| May 23 @ 3:13 AM |
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Foxtroter
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You should be proud of your self.
The Major News Papers, along with Hollywood, the Major Television Networks, the major Universities, and the Public Educational Systems have all been trying to control public perception for over 60 years.
You look young, so my guess is that you might never have read any contrasting opinions. You might never have heard, or seen any differing thoughts.
If you can still think for yourself, you really are someone special!
Michael
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| May 23 @ 4:48 AM |
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lacyvsq
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You may not like what I have to say, but you can take any promise to the bank as etched in stone.
It must be some kind of very soft stone where the etching can disappear in a matter of weeks or months, because I still have your typed message where you promised that you would never use anything I had told you against me.
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| May 23 @ 5:09 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Lacy: It must be some kind of very soft stone where the etching can disappear in a matter of weeks or months, because I still have your typed message where you promised that you would never use anything I had told you against me.
...Don't post it in blogs for the world to see and then whine about my using same in bantering... but then run and delete your blogs.
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| May 23 @ 5:16 AM |
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SensualGemini
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plowman: gee, isn't social securtiy insurance and medicare really a form of socialism?
...No, as what you receive is based on what you paid in, which is a mandatory 15.3% forced tax on labor... or basically slave labor.
...The exceptions were the perpetual Welfare recipients that would not, could not get off welfare in the time limits from the Clinton administration and to abide by Federal laws, states were moving Welfare to Disability and into Social Security and Medicare. This last Stimulus bill removed the time limits for Welfare and should alleviate moving anyone to Disability and further taxing the Social Security system.
...Since the Johnson administration, about $40 Trillion in IOU's sit in the Social Security fund from the General fund. If people had put 15.3% of their gross wages into just a savings account all of their lives, most would have a few $ Million and not concerned about Social Security running out... which it has plenty if the government would pay back the IOU's and stop stealing it.
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Napa: You're constantly misapplying the term. "Socialist this" and "socialist that." It makes it easier for you to dehumanize political opponents, and to ignore anything that might challenge your point of view.
...What are you whining about now? ... You are a Socialist, period and if you feel that dehumanizes you, then change.  
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