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Heaveninawildflower
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I've been waiting to see this one:
Is Pot the answer to California's economic woes?
Legalize it and tax it. Of course it would still need a federal revision to make it work.
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| Jul 22 @ 10:57 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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1st let me say that imho..it should be totally decriminalized...with no tax..
but in the context of this thread..it would be just a band aid...
California state government always spends more than they take in...
and until a balanced budget ( only spending what you have...) and revamping education to put the money where it should be.. for teaching people ..and not for management and taj mahal schools..happens California will always deficit spend...and have budget woes
so..is it worth the battle with the feds ...??
 ...no
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| Jul 22 @ 12:37 PM |
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Loreli
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If they do that, they will open space in jails....but will lose court cost money from individuals caught selling, holding, or growing.
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| Jul 22 @ 1:15 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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Why yes yes it is.
Even our fore father's knew that.
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| Jul 22 @ 1:25 PM |
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budo13
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I covered this in another thread it is because of certain industrialists and money whoring politicos is Hemp illeagle.Ignore ALL the benefits of hemp they have seceded in making Marijuana an evil drug that leads to a road of ruin. i guess as long as the few make the rules for the many we will not see a change in policy.
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| Jul 22 @ 3:35 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Everyone would be buying Cheetos or Twinkies too. 
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| Jul 22 @ 3:37 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Great point Katt! 
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| Jul 22 @ 3:39 PM |
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WebMonster
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Perhaps... Worth further consideration at least.
Only those foreigners who come here and set up large MJ farms on US Federal lands, need to be curtailed. That's more than ironic.
o Illegally jump the border..
o Set up illegal farms of MJ crops on federal lands. Our lands.
o Grow it and harvest it illegally... No notable investment at all.
o Illegally sell it back to Americans on the street, by way of street gangs.
What a racket!  That's like stealing your car, and then selling it back to you.
If it were legalized, that just might end some of that practice. At least if we weren't quite so selective in our law enforcement.
It's also a little ironic though, that most advocates of smoking MJ, are vehemently against allowing others to smoke tobacco. Yet the end results are almost identical, aside from the intoxication factor.
-WebMonster 
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| Jul 22 @ 3:44 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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<-- Perfectly willing to let people choose their own poisons...or not.
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| Jul 22 @ 3:53 PM |
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CPUfan
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Are we talking about legalising and taxing California here, or pot? 
Why not tax illegal immigration? At double the rate of legal residence? Payable as bail? That would be quite lucrative by all accounts... 
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| Jul 22 @ 4:28 PM |
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WebMonster
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Not referring to present company Heaven.. Or anyone in particular. Don't know whether you are an MJ advocate, or a smoker, either.
But that is a pattern among MJ advocates, and an ironic one to be sure. I think it points out that the fanatical anti-smoking advocacy trend is not necessarily all about health issues, but perhaps more about power and control.
CPU I like your idea about taxing Illegal Immigration! That could work! 
-WebMonster
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| Jul 22 @ 5:19 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Thanks Web, I wasn't sure. I'm all for legalization, and as for whether I'm a smoker...
 
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| Jul 22 @ 7:53 PM |
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Jankia
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There is some country...somewhere,Heaven will know which it is that has allowed it with little if any problems.
A country that will allow 16 year olds to drive on the same roads as all the folks in a big ass hurry to get to and from work,all the 4th and 5th offense drunk drivers and the people that flip you the bird for only traveling 5 mph over the speed limit,why not allow American farmers to reap a profit raising the weed instead of the international criminal gangs.
Opposition to legal marijuana remains the biggest obstacle to development of hemp as a valuable agricultural commodity that would be quite helpful in our curent energy crisis.
Prohibition hasnt stopped it any better then it did alchohol and its inflated value entices kids to purchase it and then resell.
Its allready available to everyone including kids maybe legalizing would mean less kids are tempted to use it. 
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| Jul 22 @ 8:06 PM |
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WebMonster
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Me too Heaven, unfortunately, for now anyway, if not for long.. I do resent the fanatical trends of some more aggressive non-smokers though. And there's a lot more psychology at play there, than their intense concern about our enduring health. In fact the intensity almost approaches that of politics!
But I guess I'm an advocate of MJ also, as long as it doesn't get out of control and does have some restrictions. Will it? Well that's a tough one to call. It could.
The down side is I've dealt with a lot of so-called pot-heads in one of my more diverse professions, and there is a down side. Some of them stayed high 24/7, actually couldn't rein it in, and sometimes couldn't make it to work on time, ending up with termination. But I still don't think it poses a significant problem for humanity as a whole, and probably should be legal. It is just like anything else like that, booze included. It needs to be harnessed by each individual themselves.
If I could legally buy a pack tomorrow though, I probably would. Not for me of course. But you never know what guests may happen by. And its good to be prepared.
-WebMonster
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| Jul 22 @ 8:09 PM |
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CowboyX
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Legalize, tax and regulate? What a concept!
But what about the CIA and their drug lord friends?
It's interesting how Arnie wants to "study the issue" rather than actually take action... as if we don't already know about cannabis. He should know, as he has smoked it himself (ever seen Pumping Iron?).
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| Jul 22 @ 8:15 PM |
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WebMonster
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Jankia: allow American farmers to reap a profit raising the weed instead of the international criminal gangs.
Exactly! And that's a big consideration for me too.. Plus one has no idea what the quality would be, bought from a street-gang individual. It could very easily be extremely dangerous and not even what its supposed to be. No controls govern what people like MS-13 are likely to be selling. So one is taking life and limb in their own hands by going that route.
-WebMonster
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| Jul 22 @ 8:43 PM |
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lazareth
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legalize it and tax the sale. If you grow your own for personal use... it's just like my dad growing his own tobacco... he sold the bulk of his tobacco at market, but always kept out plenty of the prime leaves for his own use.
There will always be those that will abuse MJ, just like those that abuse alcohol, perscription drugs, over the counter cough medicine and the list goes on.
I read on the internet just this week that NC lawmakers are proposing a tax on of all things.... golf.... yeah... anywhere from 20 bucks a round to 100 bucks a round ..( just now in the discussion phase)
Think that hasn't got all the anti-smokers. anti-drinkers panties in a wad who clapped their hands and jumped up and down for joy when the "sin" taxes were increased? All of the do-gooders that slam everyone for what ever bad habit they may have are now (possibly) gonna be reamed over a game of golf.... too funny me thinks...
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| Jul 23 @ 9:27 AM |
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kjac
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Legalize it so we can get even more people on the road driving under the influence, therefore killing even more people, creating more work for funeral homes and more job openings to replace the deceased.
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| Jul 23 @ 2:47 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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There is some country...somewhere,Heaven will know which it is that has allowed it with little if any problems. Legalize it so we can get even more people on the road driving under the influence, therefore killing even more people
Jankia - yep, I do...it's not legal there, but there's sort of an unspoken agreement that pot's okay in the Netherlands, as long as you're in an 'appropriate' place, i.e. a bar where you can indulge as long as you stay reasonably sober. It's not a criminal offense unless you overindulge or indulge in an inappropriate place - like work, church, the courthouse...etc.
and kjac - I'm with the Netherlands on this - do you think its being legal is going to start the irresponsible overindulging, or do you think they might already be doing that? I'm talking about legalizing for medicinal use, and recreational for the responsible. I'm assuming that the irresponsible are pretty much doing what they feel like already.
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| Jul 23 @ 6:43 PM |
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budo13
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KJ i have worked in hospitals for 15 years most of those in E.R's as a Radiographic trauma specialist,i can count on one hand without using all of my fingers the amount of accidents and deaths caused by "Stoned Drivers" I wish i could say the same about "Drunk driving" accidents and deaths.I also believe that the use of recreational marijuana will decrese by making it leagle because it will then lose that "Outlaw stigma
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