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Part one:
I've read everything I could get my hands on about this guy in the last two years and I know less about him now than I did at the beginning. He's definitely not who you think he is, whatever that is.
Despite his "poor-boy" myth, Obama is:
• a privileged African-American, educated at the finest schools, who has not shared the black American experience
• by birth, blood and training, a Muslim, who became a member of a Marxist, Black-African church
• a socialist whose politics are rooted in Marx and whose tactics were conceived by the communist, Alinsky
• a master at shaping his own mythology
• completely unqualified to be Commander in Chief
• and, he is not now, nor ever has been, a "natural born citizen"
I Don't Think Obama Knows I don't think Obama knows much about the first 3 or 4 years of his life. No doubt there's the family stories and stuff. But I don't think Obama knows, for a fact, the events from his birth to his mother's filing for divorce from Barack Sr.
Part of the exercise of writing "Dreams...," was to create a history -- a foundation, upon which to anchor a life.
Obama's father, Barack H. Obama Sr., left Obama's life long before Obama became aware. When Obama became aware, he was "Barry," and about to become Barry Soetoro.
Is Obama
A Muslim When Obama first showed up on the national scene, people wanted to know if Obama was a Muslim.
I personally don't think so -- at least he's not a practicing Muslim. But, I don't think he's a Christian, either.
He's a Black Marxist and an Alinsky-style "community organizer." Alinsky described himself as a communist -- as do many of Obama's closest friends and associates.
Yet, there is a part of Obama that is Muslim. There's the prepubescent youngster who lived in a Muslim household, in a Muslim country, attended a Muslim school, undoubtedly eager to please his peers and teachers, and doing his best to be a good little Muslim boy to please his new step-father.
The Jesuits would say, "Give me the child, and I will mould the man." Here's one Muslim's view -- "he's a Muslim."
And, suddenly, Barry is in Hawaii -- abandoned by his father, and now, his mother and stepfather.
During the day, he's going to school with the children of the Islands' elites, telling his classmates that his father was an African prince, the leader of a proud and successful people.
During the evening, he's tutored by Frank Marshall Davis, his mentor and father-figure. Under Frank's tutelage, Marx replaced Muhammad.
But there's still some Muslim in there somewhere -- some influence -- some sensitivity -- some empathy -- but, he's not a Muslim -- could be an undercover Muslim, I suppose.
Frank Marshall Davis was a radical black communist and fed the impressionable Obama a constant diet of Marx and "blackness" all through his high school years. He was introduced to Obama by grandfather Stanley -- they were drinkin' buddies and Stanley thought the Obama should have a black influence.
Davis's parting words to Obama on his leaving for Occidental College were, "college is an advanced degree in compromise" and he warned Obama not to forget his "people" and not to "start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that shit."
Obama, who grew up in a comfortable white household, has struggled to find an identity as a righteous black men ever since. Obama accepted "the pure and heady breeze of privilege" to which he was exposed as a teenager, but rejected his "white skin privilege" -- or at least tried to.
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College At Occidental, Obama sought out the more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.
There is an open question regarding Obama's status as a student at Occidental. The question is, did Obama receive student aid as a foreign student? Obama is vigorously fighting the release of his Occidental College records and has paid .
Occidental, it turns out, wasn't black enough for him and after two years he headed east to Columbia University -- on the edge of Harlem.
Columbia
College Obama's Columbia experience is a complete mystery. No one, absolutely no one, remembers Obama from Columbia -- Fox News asked 400 ex-students and all Fox got was shrugs. There is no picture of him in the yearbook. The only thing we really know about this period is that Obama spent a lot of time at the Marxist-Socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn.
Oh, and he lived down the avenue from Bill Ayers, who was getting his masters at Bank Street College.
Obama stopped drugging sometime during the Columbia period. He started abusing marijuana and cocaine at Punahou. "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though," he wrote.
Obama
Tries Work Obama graduated from Columbia College in 1983 and briefly entered the commercial world, staying in New York for a little more than a year after graduation. He was employed by Business International Corporation before moving to the activist New York Public Interest Research Group.
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Uh... Did you miss it, Popo? Obama won the election.
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SweetNapaGuy
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(Putting the topic all in one thread.)
Part Two:
Business International Corporation (BI) was a publishing and advisory firm dedicated to assisting American companies in operating abroad. In 1986, Business International was acquired by The Economist Group in London, and eventually merged with The Economist Intelligence Unit.
Obama's recollection of this period demonstrates his tendency towards puffery, writing in "Dreams...," (p. 135), that his first job after graduating Columbia was as a "research assistant" in "a consulting house to multinational corporations," with "my own office, my own secretary" and "myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand."
But as one of his former fellow workers (and an Obama supporter) has written, it wasn't a consulting house; it was a small company that published newsletters on international business, "a bit of a sweatshop" where casual attire and low pay were the norm. His job was essentially copyediting "in the cramped three Wang terminal space we called the bull pen."
Here's an interesting account of the BI period from several of Obama's co-workers.
Obama rejected the commercial world and joined the agitators at The New York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG). Created by Ralph Nader in the 1970s, NYPIRG is New York State's largest student-directed consumer, environmental and government reform organization. It is a not-for-profit group, established to effect policy reforms while training students and other New Yorkers to be advocates. Since 1973, NYPIRG has played the key role in fighting for more than 120 public interest laws and executive orders.
During this period, Obama spent three months working for a NYPIRG offshoot up in Harlem, trying to convince the minority students at City College about the importance of recycling.
Organizing Obama was then hired by a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious Conference (CCRC) in Chicago.
The "Project" was funded by Bill Ayers' Woods Fund, which raises the question, "did Obama do a deal with Ayers" while both were students in New York? They lived and attended school in the same neighborhood. Now, a year later, they bump into each other.
Obama was 24 years old, unmarried, and according to his memoir, searching for a genuine African-American community.
Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned how to, in Alinsky's words, "rub raw the sores of discontent."
Saul
Alinsky Alinsky viewed as supremely important the role of the organizer, or master manipulator, whose guidance was responsible for setting the agendas of the People’s Organization. "The organizer," Alinsky wrote, "is in a true sense reaching for the highest level for which man can reach -- to create, to be a 'great creator,' to play God."
Alinsky wrote, "Rules for Radicals," a book he dedicated to Lucifer, whom he called the "first radical'" For Alinsky, "Change" was his mantra. By "Change," Alinsky meant a quiet, Marxist revolution achieved by slow, incremental, Machiavellian means that turned society inside out. This had to be done through systematic deception, winning the trust of the naively idealistic middle class, and by using the language of morality to conceal an agenda designed to destroy it. And the way to do this, he said, was through "people’s organizations'"
One of Obama's early mentors in the Alinsky method was Mike Kruglik, who had this to say to an interviewer of The New Republic, about Obama:
"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."
Watch Obama work a crowd at a town hall meeting. He comes out, says a few words in greeting and then begins his laundry list of all the stuff that's wrong with America, getting the audience all revved up. When the crowd is engaged and sufficiently "pissed off," Obama presents a solution to the all the things that are "pissing them off" -- the chosen one, the anointed one, the Obama -- as president.
Alinsky's goal was to slowly turn the United States into a Communist dictatorship; to this end he tried to convince various groups of poor people and labor unions to push for legislation in that direction; he did this by appealing to their self-interest -- whether valid or not -- instead of using charismatic leadership -- but now we have Obama, who is skilled in the Alinsky method and charismatic.
Bill Ayers The unrepentant terrorist, Bill Ayers, was a constant during Obama's "Alinsky" period. Alinsky supplied the method but Bill Ayers supplied the money and the connections to the Chicago Left that allowed Obama to grow his activism into political office. When Obama wasn't agitating, he was elbow to elbow with Bill Ayers on one project or another.
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SweetNapaGuy
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(Putting the topic all in one thread)
Part three conclusion:
Reverend Wright When Obama undertook his agitating work in Chicago's South Side poor neighborhoods, he was un-churched. Yet his office was in a Church and most of the folks he needed to agitate and organize were Church people -- pastors and congregants, who took their churches and their church-going very seriously. Again and again, he was asked by pastors and church ladies, "Where do you go to Church, young man?"
In the paperback version of "The Audacity of Hope," in the chapter entitled "Faith," beginning on page 195, and ending on page 208, Obama is telling us that he doesn’t really have any profound religious belief, but that in his early Chicago days he felt he needed to acquire some spiritual "street cred."
So, at 28, Obama finally joined a church, in part to deepen what one friend called "a whole web of relationships" in the community. It also gave him a strong political base and a well-connected mentor.
Obama didn't join just any church, but a huge black nationalist church, the Trinity United Church of Christ (UCC). Its pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, a former Muslim and racist black nationalist, unabashedly preached a "black" gospel" and the Marxist "Black Liberation Theology."
Membership in this congregation gives Obama the political cover he needed. He now introduces himself as a Christian, although he has never been baptized. Swearing allegiance to the "Black Value System" of a church whose foundation is "Black Liberation Theology" does not a Christian make. But it is good politics on the South Side.
Harvard Harvard Law School changed everything. Being the first affirmative-action president of the Harvard Law Review netted Obama a book deal -- which he booted -- he spent the money but didn't produce a book -- but he got a second advance and headed off to Bali, Indonesia, to finish his fable, "Dreams From My Father," the source of almost everything we know about Obama.
ACORN In the early 90's, Obama married and practiced civil rights law for a couple of years and then, with the publication of "the book," Obama started blossoming out. He cut back on his law practice. He began teaching at the University of Chicago. He co-chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge with Bill Ares. He did legal work and trained ACORN managers and staff.
Chicago Annenberg
Challenge One of Ayers' and Obama's schemes, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, spent $150 million to radicalize Chicago schoolchildren -- $110 million (including over $60 million in public funds) was spent on a project that, according to the official review, yielded no discernable result.
Alice Palmer And, finally, Obama saw the chance to run for the state senate in a district that included Hyde Park, the home of the University of Chicago and some of the poorest ghettos on the South Side. Thus he became a State Senator for Illinois, during his term as State Senator he ran for U.S.Senator, within 150 days or so during his first term as U.S. Senator, he started his campaign for President. Now you know who your President is... Alice Palmer, Obama's political mentor, represented the state's 13th District. She decided to run for the United States Congress and hand-picked Obama to run to replace her. |
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popo, please post the url/source of this manuscript as well as what you wish to discuss about it. 
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Posted by Popo in section 3's closed thread:
Web,
Many people who voted for him and those that didn't are still
wondering who is this guy really? Why is he trying to move so fast
and change America as we know it. Although long in three parts, this
does lend insight to who is running this country, and making policies and
changes in the middle of the night. When he promised transparency.
30 plus Czars now behind the scenes, reporting directly to him and
by passing Congress, on every major aspect of this economy and country.
It's never been done in our history before.. So I would think that everyone
in this country, regardless of party, should ask them selves Who is he?
These posts I think atleast tell us his history, which has all been a non
factor to the media and those who support him.
Thanx for reading..
Posted in reply by Webmonster:
You've raised many very valid points Popo.
I am particularly troubled by Obama's removing power from the Congress with thirty-four "Czars" which report only to him, with very little oversight by "anyone" else. Congress is troubled too, no doubt, but so far are not doing anything about it. But then, their leaders are Pelosi and Reid. And to a large degree they are leading a gathering of sheep.
Democracy is dying in this country, while many just sit back and "hope" for better times at the hands of a mysterious stranger, out of nowhere, without clear motivations, or an established agenda. Add to that there are clearly grave concerns about his legitimacy, which he refuses to even address.
Its extremely troubling and even mind-boggling that this could happen in America. And it is not likely to turn out for the best.
-WebMonster
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Uh... Did you miss it, Popo? Obama won the election.
Typical liberal ploy, avoid the question altogether while pointing to something distracting. Didn't work to well on CNN yesterday did it?
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there wasn't a question for this topic other than 'who are you?'.  it's a copy-paste from some source and the response was to the poster, not about whatever the topics discussion question was supposed to be.
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| Jul 27 @ 4:45 PM |
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POPO
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http://www.theobamafile.com/http://www.theobamafile.com/
Sorry Mod...  my bad... 
From Mod.
there wasn't a question for this topic other than 'who are you?'. it's a copy-paste from some source and the response was to the poster, not about whatever the topics discussion question was supposed to be
Sorry Mod...
I thought I had written my question..
Did anyone know this is who he is? Did anyone know his true background?
He was never vetted in the media like this... 
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Typical liberal ploy, avoid the question altogether while pointing to something distracting. Didn't work to well on CNN yesterday did it?
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Seal....Ironically this was not presented as a Liberal or Conservative Issue..
I thought it would be an American Issue as to who is really in the White house!
Your right....It's not being disputed.... There is more controversy over how it was posted, rather then the posting it's self.
It seems like Obama's lies don't matter to some, what matters is he won?
So, is our lesson here to be, no matter who is in the white House it's okay, because they won? If that's the case then George Bush should have been above reproach..  Shouldn't matter how he got there, just as long as he's there.
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| Jul 27 @ 5:06 PM |
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POPO
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From WebMaster.
You've raised many very valid points Popo.
I am particularly troubled by Obama's removing power from the Congress with thirty-four "Czars" which report only to him, with very little oversight by "anyone" else. Congress is troubled too, no doubt, but so far are not doing anything about it. But then, their leaders are Pelosi and Reid. And to a large degree they are leading a gathering of sheep.
Democracy is dying in this country, while many just sit back and "hope" for better times at the hands of a mysterious stranger, out of nowhere, without clear motivations, or an established agenda. Add to that there are clearly grave concerns about his legitimacy, which he refuses to even address.
Its extremely troubling and even mind-boggling that this could happen in America. And it is not likely to turn out for the best.
-WebMonster
Web...It blows my mind the amount of people who are so blined by words they care not what is happening and the back ground of who he is, and who put him in power. 
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Some of it, people aren't interested. It's going to happen, what distresses one individual doesn't distress another.
And some of it, it's been debunked, and only the fanatical "loyal opposition" believes.
Pull out the stuff that doesn't matter and the stuff that is just repeated propaganda. Once that stuff is gone, people might take the topic seriously. Otherwise, the topic will generally be dismissed as "yet another pile of partisan excrement."
The mudslinging during the primaries and the elections was bad enough. People were looking forward to seeing the campaign end in early November 2008. But the way things are going, it's looking like it'll continue on through 2012.
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| Jul 27 @ 5:17 PM |
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POPO
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excerpt:
"He was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation, who could engage a room full of recruiting targets in a rapid-fire Socratic dialogue, nudging them to admit that they were not living up to their own standards. As with the panhandler, he could be aggressive and confrontational. With probing, sometimes personal questions, he would pinpoint the source of pain in their lives, tearing down their egos just enough before dangling a carrot of hope that they could make things better."
Watch Obama work a crowd at a town hall meeting. He comes out, says a few words in greeting and then begins his laundry list of all the stuff that's wrong with America, getting the audience all revved up. When the crowd is engaged and sufficiently "pissed off," Obama presents a solution to the all the things that are "pissing them off" -- the chosen one, the anointed one, the Obama -- as president.
Alinsky's goal was to slowly turn the United States into a Communist dictatorship; to this end he tried to convince various groups of poor people and labor unions to push for legislation in that direction; he did this by appealing to their self-interest -- whether valid or not -- instead of using charismatic leadership -- but now we have Obama, who is skilled in the Alinsky method and charismatic
What's in bold, explains who Bami is and what his goal is... 
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what matters is he won? Seriously, what is the purpose of this? He's not running for election now. He won. There is nothing impeachable in all this, even if more than 3 words of it were true.
Did anyone know this is who he is? Did anyone know his true background? It was demonstrated long before the election that this these mischaracterizations and lies are NOT who he is.
Barring anything unforeseen, and assuming historical patterns prevail, he will run for reelection in 2012. No one who voted for him in 2008 is going to change their mind about voting for him in 2012 based on this same old trash that was ALL making the rounds of the right-wing blogosphere long before the election. By the time the presidential campaign ramps up in 2011, people will be much, much more concerned with what he has done in the 3 years of his term leading up to that time and what plans he still has. Do you seriously think there are as many as a dozen people in this country saying to themselves, "Oh, my God! I didn't realize I voted for a Marxist?" Or a Muslim, or someone who wasn't a ghetto-raised black man? And all notwithstanding the fact that he never claimed to be, and isn't, a Muslim, a Marxist or a ghetto-raised black man.
When is the right going to wake up to the fact that what people voted FOR in 2008 was NOT a Republican, and NOT John McCain/Sarah Palin?
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| Jul 27 @ 7:55 PM |
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When is the right going to wake up to the fact that what people voted FOR in 2008 was NOT a Republican, and NOT John McCain/Sarah Palin?
Irrelevancy at its finest. Who was voted into power has nothing to do with whether or not what is being done since, is appropriate. You see, we don't just elect somebody and then give them free-reign to do whatever they want. Its not a totalitarian process, and we're not electing dictators.
You're also dead wrong about those voting in 2012 being exactly the same as 2008. His approval now is dismal compared to the election period. Very few polls even attempt to suggest he would be elected now, without even considering who the opposition might be. They just don't want him in the White House. And many of those are from the left. Pay attention!
-WebMonster 
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Irrelevancy at its finest. Who was voted into power has nothing to do with whether or not what is being done since, is appropriate. You see, we don't just elect somebody and then give them free-reign to do whatever they want. Its not a totalitarian process, and we're not electing dictators. There was absolutely not one single word in the OP (all three pages) about anything he is doing now. (Which I could swear I addressed by saying voters in 2012 would be concerned about what he had done in office up to that point.) Whether or not what has been done since somone assumed office is appropriate or not has absolutely nothing to do with where they lived when they were 10 or what drunken bums their absent fathers may have been. The OP is the exact same malicious character assassination that went on long before election day, and every day since, and has accomplished nothing. It's preaching to the choir and not gaining converts.
Actually, I should stop repeating this and let you guys dig your hole deeper. I really don't care if the conservatives have a winning "strategy" for the next election or not.
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Actually, I should stop repeating this and let you guys dig your hole deeper. I really don't care if the conservatives have a winning "strategy" for the next election or not.
NOOO!! PLEASE don't do that!! 
You're right though, It would serve us right!! Then we'd have to sit around and wallow in our own version of reality! 
-WebMonster
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Then we'd have to sit around and wallow in our own version of reality!
Both parties have been out of touch with reality. It's just that the Democrats learned from their lumps in the mid-1990s. And the Republicans haven't yet recovered from their setbacks from the mid-2000s.
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| Jul 27 @ 9:55 PM |
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POPO
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Web you right his numbers are not just slipping, there falling pretty fast, once he fell blow 52-53% aprroval rating he's not just losing those who were giving him the benefit od the doubt the McCain voters, he is losing his own based, he's down in the upper 40's which means his own party is walking away from him, and since he loves to be loved so much he must be sweating blood right now. He's only a month outside of his honeymood.
Now with his obvious very "Teachable Moment" to the nation and world, showing his racial bias and prejudice, his numbers will continue to fall.. We are starting to see the Obama.
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he's down in the upper 40's which means his own party is walking away from him, The latest Rasmussen shows him at 49%, and it's the only one that shows him below 50%. I don't know where you get your numbers from, but they're not from the national polls. Here's Real Clear Politics' take on it: Obama Job Approval
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