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doorgunner
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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by
legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person
receives without working for, another person must work for
without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody
anything that the government does not first take from
somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that
they do not have to work because the other half is going to
take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea
that it does no good to work because somebody else is going
to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the
end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing
it."
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| Aug 3 @ 9:44 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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To be ironic, I'll match you quote for quote.
"The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit."
In other words, give us your opinions, not someone else's.
Edit:
Ah. Not even quoting someone else, but quoting someone else quoting someone else before that. (A Google search, to find out the first author of the quote, shows that it's been coopted by the neo-con blogsphere...)
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| Aug 3 @ 9:55 PM |
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Nightowl001
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What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. More bumpersticker philosphy.
The biggest problem with this is the lack of context and the bastardization of what the word "work" means. The unthinking don't realize that this is more an indictment of investment capitalism than it is of socialism. You blithely ignore that the first tenet of Marxism is "From each according to his ability," meaning that in socialism there is a responsibility to produce. No one sits around getting something for nothing, except those truly incapable of producing anything (the elderly, infirm or infantile). Conversely, you wrongly think you are saying to the people working and producing goods that they deserve less recompense for the product of their own labor than someone called a "shareholder," who profits from their labor without laboring themselves.
You type the words with no understanding.
Edited to add: Incidentally, what is it Obama is going to fail at? It is true that you cannot multiply wealth, by dividing it. But you're using the wrong property of numbers. The idea is not to make everyone wealthy, but to not allow a few to become wealthy on the fruits of the labors of many who are then robbed of just compensation.
[Edited on 8/3/2009 10:01 PM]
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| Aug 3 @ 10:10 PM |
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Angel54214
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It was written by Pastor Adrian Rogers and yes he was a Conservative.  Pastor Rogers died in Nov. 2005. The name of his speech is called “God’s Way to Health, Wealth and Wisdom”. His works are published in a CD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Rogers
You can listen to the whole audio:
http://www.lwf.org/site/PageServer?pagename=lis_quote
And yes...I agree that the OP should have quoted this famous writing speech and also should have attributed it to the actual Author.
At only 16 posts, I give him the benefit of the doubt as being new in the forums, to also advise to read the forum rules to prevent the unwelcome statics. We were all new once and gradually learned how to use the buttons in posts. Some that have been here for years, still don't use them or even post an url.
[Edited on 8/3/2009 10:14 PM]
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| Aug 3 @ 10:13 PM |
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MotownManiax
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I think it's reprehensible for "anyone" to WISH Obama to fail, because if he fails that means the country fails, and we all end up losing. I wanted to b*tch slap Limbaugh and any other mean-spirited, arrogant Republicans that showed glee in wanting Obama to "personally" fail. How irresponsible and sad.
Btw, I "never" wanted Bush, or any other president, to fail, either. How narcissistic and self-superior? One can disagree with policies and direction, but a president still represents the American people. To hope and pray for a person's failure that I don't think deserves it just shows the character of the wisher.
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| Aug 3 @ 10:28 PM |
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Angel54214
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Obama will fail at some things just like every president we ever had. But they also succeed in some things. What happens is, people have intentions of putting someone important in our country upon the throne of God...that person is human just like every one else; that person will fail and surely Obama has failed at many past things in his life just like we all have...but the importance is getting back up and being stronger because of it and not let it knock you down as well as blame someone else for self failure.
We learn...we grow...we move on. 
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| Aug 3 @ 10:38 PM |
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Angel54214
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You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
This could have much disagreement; Many people that are wealthy do divide their earnings to further multiply wealth. They buy businesses, and those business expand to giving to others. They invest income to make more income and they also give income to charities that less fortunate and they have a chance to also climb the ladder in life.
Obama during his campaign, a slogan he adopted was "Spreading the Wealth". Surely he is trying all avenues to make this accomplishment to the middle class and the lower class. If something doesn't work...throw it out! He has many more tasks on the agenda and lots of garbage to shovel. But we need to do our part for it's all of our's country...not just Obama's.
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| Aug 4 @ 8:03 AM |
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sealacamp
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In other words, give us your opinions, not someone else's.
That is his way of ignoring what you quoted and its validity by pointing to something other than the issue. Typical liberal ploy of distraction. Never answer the question or deal with the issue always point to something that moves others attention away from the point.
I wanted to b*tch slap Limbaugh and any other mean-spirited, arrogant Republicans that showed glee in wanting Obama to "personally" fail. How irresponsible and sad.
That is funny because Limbaugh said he wanted Obama's policies to fail because they are bad for the country. He never said anything about Obama personally failing. Perhaps some of you need comprehension lessons because it is disgusting how many of you totally misunderstood what was stated plainly and even now continue to beat the drum of untruth because you didn't like what was said. Yet you don't repeat what was said. What is repeated is the twisting of someones words.
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| Aug 4 @ 9:16 AM |
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eyesofastranger
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Canada is an experiment in wealth through immigration and multiculturalism. So far it has been an absolute success. We are well up in the G8 with less population than greater NY city. The economic slowdown has gone into full retreat here first. I know this maybe true as I have family in Oz and China still struggling with a stalled economy. Here we're struggling with the same old same old more trucks than cars on our highways.
If Canada some day fails we will all look at each other for blame not who happens to be holding the reins on that particular day. If no drama Obama fails while holding a better grip on America's pulse than any leader back to Roosevelt than America failed not Obama.
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| Aug 4 @ 9:22 AM |
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Josuha
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I think it's reprehensible for "anyone" to WISH Obama to fail, because if he fails that means the country fails, and we all end up losing.
I don't know if it's occured to you.
But this country is already failing.
Your jobs have went overseas.
You have no industry to speak of..
Your now in two wars, bases on lies and misinformation.
Your borders are open so that a blind man and a seeing eye dog could get through.
Your Constitution has been trashed, ignored or legislated away.
Your money has been stolen from you or given away.
And this country is broke.
And dare I say the 'D' word...like in "Depression'..and it's going to get much, much worse.
Obama or any politician is not to blame.
We pick them.
If you want a suspect, just look in the mirror.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_go_ot/us_plummeting_taxes
[Edited on 8/4/2009 9:33 AM]
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| Aug 4 @ 3:56 PM |
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Angel54214
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Your brave Josh...and not far from a border. LOL
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| Aug 4 @ 4:22 PM |
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budo13
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Do i want Obama to fail not sure how to answer that question.If it means failure of our current system then yes.If it's only way that we get our heads out of our collective asses start to once again say hey this country does not belong to the Dems or the Repubs it belongs to us "We The People".To effect real change and not one parties or the others ideology.Have fiscal responsibility,make smaller our central government,reinforce states rights and most importantly getting our government the f*** out of our daily lives.Use to be we were all Americans not blue and red states but Americans.Time for the finger pointing to stop time to reunite this country and become what we once were the greatest country in the world.The country i fought for ,bled for, along with many of my brave brothers and sisters.The country that was respected the country others came to in times of need.I am sadden because i fear i will not see this again in my lifetime.Go on now with the scrabbling ,fighting .it's the Dem's it's the repubs for we have no one to blame but the person in the mirror. 
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| Aug 4 @ 5:00 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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That is his way of ignoring what you quoted and its validity by pointing to something other than the issue. Typical liberal ploy of distraction. Never answer the question or deal with the issue always point to something that moves others attention away from the point.
Hey, seal! It's been a while since you've graced us with your Christian kindness, tolerance, and love. You are a prime example of why Christianity is renowned the world over for the decency of its adherents... 
Say, did you plan on doing anything in this thread aside from personally singling me out for your de facto mode of posting (i.e., straight on to attacks)?
Most people who start a thread with someone else's opinion, at least TRY to toss in at least a sentence explaining their own position on the matter. A sentence isn't too much to ask, is it? It doesn't have to be much, a sentence can be made of as few as two words, after all.
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| Aug 4 @ 6:58 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Before anyone can assess success or failure, it is important to know objectives. Do we know what Obama's objectives are? At what do you predict failure by Obama?
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| Aug 4 @ 7:04 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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More bumpersticker philosphy.
The brevity of the message having the ring of ruth DOES NOT invalidate a statement of its universal and everlasting intrinsic value.
To wit:
[QUOTE]Executive Mansion, Washington, November 21, 1864.
Mrs. Bixby, Boston, Massachusetts:
Dear Madam: I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.
Yours very sincerely and respectfully,
Abraham Lincoln. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Martin Luther King Jr.To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice. The Magna Charta, issued in the year 1215 under the hand and seal of JOHN, by the grace of God King of England, to his archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justices, foresters, sheriffs, stewards, servants, and to all his officials and loyal subjects, Given by our hand in the meadow that is called Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, on the fifteenth day of June in the seventeenth year of our reign. . .the air battle is continuous, and that many preparations have to be made here at home. I would say to the House as I said to those who have joined this government: I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat. We have before us an ordeal of the most grievous kind. We have before us many, many long months of struggle and of suffering. You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs — Victory in spite of all terror — Victory, however long and hard the road may be, for without victory there is no survival. Winston ChurchillEven though large parts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. Winston ChurchillI expect that the Battle of Britain is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own British life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our Empire. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon be turned on us. Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be freed and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour." Winston ChurchillThe gratitude of every home in our Island, in our Empire, and indeed throughout the world, except in the abodes of the guilty, goes out to the British airmen who, undaunted by odds, unwearied in their constant challenge and mortal danger, are turning the tide of the World War by their prowess and by their devotion. Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few. All hearts go out to the fighter pilots, whose brilliant actions we see with our own eyes day after day… Winston ChurchillBlessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Jesus
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| Aug 4 @ 7:06 PM |
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Loreli
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I for one will do whatever to support our President and nation.
If it ever looks like poor decisions might be made, I contact my reps and complain.
I sign petitions
I don't throw tea into rivers to prove a point.
But, I guess I'm boring
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| Aug 4 @ 7:31 PM |
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lacyvsq
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There is absolutely no way that fewer than 600 people can represent the needs, fears and desires of more than 300 million people. Our votes and voices are not heard unless we are with the majority.
The government of the united States was set up to be very limited. It should have remained so. As it is, a government gains its just power from the consent of the governed. There is no mandate to consent.
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| Aug 4 @ 9:30 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The government of the united States was set up to be very limited. It should have remained so. As it is, a government gains its just power from the consent of the governed. There is no mandate to consent.
I not only agree, but I also have a plan...
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| Aug 4 @ 9:43 PM |
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eyesofastranger
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i don't expect you to know history. America at threat built the wilscat the hallcat the bearvat the bomb. and now you build the gerry springer show. don't get me wrong but you are failing the part you own. we the world look at you. fail
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| Aug 4 @ 10:36 PM |
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Angel54214
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Third Richest Country...United States
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