| Aug 7, 2009 @ 11:48 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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 .... you are avoiding the issue..and going on tangents....
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| Aug 7, 2009 @ 11:53 PM |
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Josuha
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I think the real issue here, is that people were assaulted for their political views.
If these people were called by the democratic party or their representives, then we have a real problem here.
You may not agree with the protests.
But we are a Constitutional Republic and people have the right to protest, yes, even loudly if they chose.
There has been to date, no violence by these protestors until now.
This is unacceptable by any standards no matter who is responsiable.
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| Aug 7, 2009 @ 11:54 PM |
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Jankia
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I dont know how many of you watched any of the news coverage that was taken at some of the town hall meetings but if you did you would also have noticed the age of the people in rebellion over this issue at them.
It wasnt the huge number of young voters that got Obama into office,it was the older voters that were showing the concern.
He won there vote by promising change.Its a shame they silently sit back when the changes arent what they had expected.
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| Aug 7, 2009 @ 11:58 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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I think the real issue here, is that people were assaulted for their political views.
If these people were called by the democratic party or their representives, then we have a real problem here.
You may not agree with the protests.
But we are a Constitutional Republic and people have the right to protest, yes, even loudly if they chose.
There has been to date, no violence by these protestors until now.
This is unacceptable by any standards no matter who is responsiable.
all this ...over one incident.....
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:07 AM |
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DiamondRain
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This should disgust anyone who believes in democracy. How dare he?
Obama Trys To Intimidate Ordinary Citizens Who Don't Want His Plan
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:11 AM |
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Josuha
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Tampa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IInBP9D_s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akaENJczb1Q
New York
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLs7Cybnqw
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:18 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Listen, I heard about one town hall meeting today where ONLY UNION employees were invited. If you weren't in the union, you were turned away at the door.
Can you imagine the GALL of these stinking Obamacrats?
After seeing that people were having their voices heard, Obama ordered his henchmen to get union goons to attend these meetings to intimidate anyone who wants to speak up.
And what about the posting on the OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE WEB SITE asking people to turn in e-mails from anyone if they said anything "fishy," about his health care plan. ARE YOU FVCKING KIDDING ME?!!! What's next... some men show up at your door to take you to a reeducation camp?
IT"S THE FREAKING SOVIET UNION HERE. This is INTOLERABLE.
[Edited on 8/8/2009 12:26 AM]
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:30 AM |
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Angel54214
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Are these Town Hall protests a sham??
In an email sent Wednesday morning, the Democratic National Committee labels recent town hall disruptions as "a sham," describing them as an orchestrated effort by the health care industry to "break the President and his agenda for change."
Jen O'Malley Dillon, Executive Director of the DNC, says the protests "are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform." She accuses them of using "lies" and "fear" to sustain the status quo.
"Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way," writes O'Malley, before offering five facts about the protests:
1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.
2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.
3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.
4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.
5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress." There's more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/dnc-blasts-sham-town-hall_n_251784.html
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:39 AM |
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DiamondRain
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The DNC is full of boloney.
I heard the question asked today of one of the Congressmen who held one of the town halls where people voiced a lot of angry protest.
He was asked if these people were "plants." He said that he knows they were not, because he knows some of them personally and has seen some of them at other meetings too.
I cannot believe the lengths that the left is going to to corruptly use the power of government to intimidate and silence the free speech of the ordinary law abiding citizens who go to these meetings to express their views.
It's the same kind of isolation and intimidation tactics they used to try to silence the voices of those who attended the Tea Parties.
This is something that happens in communist dictatorships, not in America.
It will surely lead to even further rage as people will not be silenced.
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:46 AM |
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Josuha
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Are these Town Hall protests a sham??
I did some research on the protests and most are middle class.
Many are from democrat and independent parties.
Many younger people are joining this movement.
This movement seems to be centered on government excesses.
Taxes, rights, Constitution, excessive government power etc.
The Health Care Bill just happened to be a rallying point from what I could see.
I suspect that both democrat and republican hardcore party members had no idea of this grassroots movements growth and organization from mostly the internet.
Nor the media.
They both have a look like a deer caught in the headlights from their reaction.
Reactions which have been mostly 'knee jerk' reactionary strategy.
I think what you are seeing from the democratic party is the propaganda machine going full speed.
There will be more propaganda, this is to be expected.
This means the TPTB (The powers that be.) are losing control.
I suspect even if the Health Care Bill does get passed, most of the people who hold office will be out in 2010 because of the outrage of the people.
They will simply trash the Health Care and move on.
It is the anger I see reported that concerns me.
I might also add, if you do some research, some Republican big names have attempted to 'get on the bandwagon'.
This has, in many circles of this movement, been met with some distain and outright rebellion.
This movement is something very different than what we have seen in modern times.
[Edited on 8/8/2009 12:52 AM]
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:46 AM |
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Jankia
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In an email sent Wednesday morning, the In an email sent Wednesday morning, the Democratic National Committee labels recent town hall disruptions as "a sham," describing them as an orchestrated effort by the health care industry to "break the President and his agenda for change."
Somebody in the Democratic National Committee obviously didnt listen to the testimony of some of the people interviewed after the town hall meetings.
They were shocked when asked if they were part of any orchestrated plot by anyone.
Seems you just cant be a part of political debate unless your a lobbyist today.
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 12:56 AM |
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Angel54214
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Denver:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/07/health_care_protestors__supporters_clash_during_pelosi_visit.html
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:08 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Or unless you're taking your "talking points" from the right-wing propaganda machine...
When the Republican leadership (and their associated power groups) are passing out what questions to ask, along with a lot of terror speech to rile up the masses, just how much participation are these protesters actually having? Other than acting as puppets, dancing to the tugs of the masters' strings?
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:14 AM |
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Angel54214
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These are "Democrat" town halls...where are they??
watch the video of CBS New interviews:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/04/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5213270.shtml
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:17 AM |
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Josuha
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When the Republican leadership (and their associated power groups) are passing out what questions to ask, along with a lot of terror speech to rile up the masses, just how much participation are these protesters actually having? Other than acting as puppets, dancing to the tugs of the masters' strings?
If that is what you believe, your entitled to it.
If there has been any republican involvement directly, I have not seen any evidence.
If there is republican involvement, I suspect it is small.
The foundation of these groups seem to be 'anti-status quo.'
From what I can see, this is mostly groups who form small connections and then rally at one point.
There is no 'vast, right wing conspiracy'.
The foundation of this movement is something completely new, not seen in modern times.
That is not to say that some republicans may take advantage of the thunder.
But the foundation of this movement is not 'parties'...it is discontent over excessive government.
[Edited on 8/8/2009 1:23 AM]
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:29 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Or unless you're taking your "talking points" from the right-wing propaganda machine...
When the Republican leadership (and their associated power groups) are passing out what questions to ask, along with a lot of terror speech to rile up the masses, just how much participation are these protesters actually having? Other than acting as puppets, dancing to the tugs of the masters' strings?
If you are wrong, you have made a shameful accusation against innocent law abiding citizens who are doing nothing more that expressing their opinions and exercising their most fundamental of democratic rights. With charges like this you risk being part of an effort by an oppressive government who corruptly uses its power to intimidate its own citizens.
It's entirely likely that you have no shame though and never even considered that. You do this so casually, and in the face of so much apparent evidence to the contrary that it is downright freightening.
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:34 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And how often do political parties make use of "innocent law-abiding citizens" as unknowing puppets in their games of oneupsmanship?
Hell's bells. In this very forum, half a dozen moderates and liberals have been accused of being paid agents provocateur for the Bush administration...
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:39 AM |
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Josuha
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Hell's bells. In this very forum, half a dozen moderates and liberals have been accused of being paid agents provocateur for the Bush administration...
I suppose it is easy to make a 'conspiracy' of something one does'nt understand.
Americans have been taught from birth that there is 'democrat' and 'republican'.
'Liberal' and 'conservative'.
Anything else is alien to them.
No..I don't think there is a 'conspiracy' or there are 'provocateurs'.
The simplest and most obvious answer is usually the right one.
What I do believe is there are some very pissed off people who have gotten off their couchs and out in the streets.
It's as simple as that.
As Admiral Yamamoto called them..'the sleeping giant'..
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:49 AM |
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Angel54214
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I work in healthcare and did highlight my memo today from Home Land Security and copied for department distribution not to click on or respond to any Health Care emails and any incoming faxes are to be given to Administrators.
All correspondence from insurers are now to be held by phone conferences, in person or letter format on company letterhead through snail mail. This has slowed down the progress of patients needed health treatments.
Some of Obama's provisions have already been set in place in the Health Care industry. Doctors are made to increase their daily work load in specialists areas like Radiology and GI to name a couple.
This is bad...real bad!
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| Aug 8, 2009 @ 1:54 AM |
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Josuha
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Well..
I'm going to bed.
Try to be nice.
Remember; in 100 years, who's going to care?
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