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arieann
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090809/ap_on_re_us/us_prison_riot
I am sorry the inmates were injured, but I am very happy no staff members were hurt trying to break up the inmates while they were acting stupid.
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| Aug 9 @ 9:15 PM |
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Angel54214
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This riot at Chino Prison turned out more mild compared to the 2006 one. 24 inmates were transfered to hospitals from the riot of more than 800 inmates.
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| Aug 10 @ 10:16 AM |
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eastham
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The prisons in California are well beyond being overcrowded.
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| Aug 10 @ 10:19 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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We are a nation of prisons.
There's a better and cheaper way to rehabilitate most inmates.
We are just in love with our prisons and all the jobs they over.
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| Aug 10 @ 10:48 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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 .....There's a better and cheaper way to rehabilitate most inmates.
like...??? 
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| Aug 10 @ 11:05 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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Electronic monitoring instead of incarceration for lower offenses. Mandatory completion of any and all education and treatments at the offender expense instead of tax payers.
Revise truth in sentencing, to a fair across the board sentencing. 5 years for a pound of pot vs 45 days for vehicular manslaughter cause of drunk driving? That just doesn't sound right or fair to the victims and victims family. .
Whatever happen to military service or jail?
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| Aug 10 @ 11:33 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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maybe because we don't want to have criminals in the military ??
... your other points are very valid..
rehablitation is an effective goal.. for a first offender... but for the habitual offender...
it is a waste.....
my thoughts are that jail time should be a punishment.. not a "time out.." from the real world... for habitual offenders...
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| Aug 10 @ 3:27 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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I see what ya mean about not wanting.
But we already have them. And if anyone can handle them, its the guys with guns.
The military has a way of breaking a man down, to rebuild him. How effective was it when judges did give the option. I don't know, it was before my time. But I think that the first time offender with a lengthy sentence, would benefit more from service, then sharing his cell with a lifer. Lifers don't give a damn about the squats ( which I learned is the new term being used instead of fish) parole.
After all what is a prison? A closed and guarded community, strict in regiment and routine. But their programs are of choice. They maybe ordered to take such and such a class, but when they do is up to them. Some times to late is just to late.
Besides, who would ya want to take a bullet for ya, some young 19 year old just beginning his life, or that car jacking sob now turned flak jacket. 
All kidding aside.
I am all for creative sentencing. But leave the spaces open for the repeaters, and lost causes and human waste. Mixing them with the ones that could have been saved though, is just counter productive in the goal of rehabilitation. As cutting of the hands of thieves has become out dated, perhaps our penal system has became so too.
With growth, there is a need for change.
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| Aug 10 @ 5:21 PM |
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arieann
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Give out more community service.I dom not think prison is good for first time offenders, unless its a violent crime. Hitting them in their wallets will hurt.And Burns, great post. I agree with it.
Another issue I have is should prisons be segregated,for safety reasons,not political? According to this, the riot was pre-planed and the guards had the place on a modified lockdown. And if they knew 2 days in advance, it seems more could have been done to prevent it.
[Edited on 8/10/2009 5:27 PM]
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| Aug 10 @ 5:34 PM |
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kattsmeow
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The disturbance, reportedly sparked by racial tensions between Latino and black inmates, appeared likely to deal a setback to efforts by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to desegregate the teeming “reception centers” in the state’s 33-prison network that house incoming prisoners and probation violators.
A 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision rejected California’s practice of segregating the reception centers by race as a means of combating violence among gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, the Mexican Mafia and the Black Guerrilla Family.
The high court’s decision in a case brought by imprisoned murder convict Garrison Johnson led to a negotiated settlement in which corrections officials agreed to stop using race as the sole criteria for assigning bunks in the reception centers. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/{email address removed}
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| Aug 10 @ 6:29 PM |
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arieann
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I guess segregating did not work. I work in a high violence mental hospital. The most we have had fight was 6 men going at it. I dont know why I made that last post because just segregating by race would not do much good, in my experience. We usually put them in a room, if possible, with a peer they get along with. If there is some one that dont get along with anyone, weather he is the aggressor or a target, he is put on close observation 1:1.
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| Aug 10 @ 10:50 PM |
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Angel54214
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I say if they want to hurt and kill each other....let them! Have guards in the towers and shoot every one that tries to climb the fence or wall to get out. Other guards should lock them out of the buildings and they should stay inside until it's over. Those that survive will get more time in the slammer for murder or attempt murder.
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| Aug 10 @ 11:04 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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I guess segregating did not work. It didnt work cause they didnt do it.
If they had, there would have been a lot less fights.
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| Aug 10 @ 11:39 PM |
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Angel54214
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I agree burns...before the lawsuit of Garrison in Feb. 2005, there were no large riots at this prison because the newbees were segragated. After the high court ruled that it was unconstitutional to segragate, then the first large prison riot unfolded in Sept. 2005 between 250 Latino and Black inmates.
One thing with this current riot that took place in Chino Prison, is that all other prisons in South CA also were locked down. When the word gets out, other riots start in other prisons as well.
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| Aug 11 @ 7:18 AM |
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arieann
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iclJAd7nrweJ8aOQaD3EPtZxf3FwD9A0B5KO0
I found this interesting. There were only 80 guards on duty to watch 5,900 men.
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| Aug 11 @ 10:35 PM |
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Angel54214
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See what happens when the state government doesn't pay the Cable Bill?? 
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| Aug 11 @ 11:18 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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 ... not funny at all.... 
A national expert warned of the riot danger at the prison in a Nov. 9, 2007, report. A unit at that time had two guards overseeing 198 inmates, many of whom were in locations where they couldn't be easily observed.
"If the prisoners wanted to take over the dorm they could do so in a second and no one would know," Wayne Scott, former director of the Texas Department of Corrections, wrote after touring Cleveland Hall within the prison's West Facility, where Saturday's riot happened.
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| Aug 11 @ 11:40 PM |
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Angel54214
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Who's laughing... 
laughing emoticon ----> 
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| Aug 12 @ 1:26 PM |
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eastham
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There were only 80 guards on duty to watch 5,900 men.
You are missing out on the important part of the story. Most prisons are designed today to use a minimum number of personnel, letting technology do the work once done by guards who walked the floor. What is more important is that the Chico prison was designed for a maximum of 3,000 inmates. So, there were nearly twice the inmates as the prison could humanely accommodate.
Please remember, the vast majority of inmates aren't there under life without parole sentences. The average prison sentence in the US is five years. Prison overcrowding exacerbates mental health issues leading the the parole of individuals who have suffered a psychotic break during their incarceration. And then they move into your neighborhood. Hmm.
Once, America stood as the model for prison reform. The Europeans sent people like Alexis de Tocqueville to study and report on the penitentiary system in the US. Now prisons are a horror show. Little is done to rehabilitate offenders who will be released, leading to high rates of recidivism. Unfortunately, I don't believe that this riot will be sufficient to get us back on track.
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| Aug 12 @ 3:03 PM |
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Solitaire
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I say if they want to hurt and kill each other....let them! Have guards in the towers and shoot every one that tries to climb the fence or wall to get out. Other guards should lock them out of the buildings and they should stay inside until it's over. Those that survive will get more time in the slammer for murder or attempt murder.
Ah, so eventually the prison population would be an arena for the survival of the fittest, the smartest manipulators, the most brutal offenders, to weed out, traumatize and subjugate those who have may have held on to a modicum of empathy for others, a shred of guilt or remorse?
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