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catman602
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a total of 10,000 jobs will be leaving wisconsin and going to Oklahoma . 1 reason is wages . the job in wisconsin wage is $45 an hour . OK . the wage is $25 . the start wage the union wants higher . we in wisconsin can kiss a big company bye bye
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| Aug 18 @ 5:46 PM |
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uab_5
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Boom on the unions. 
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| Aug 18 @ 6:09 PM |
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Always_Striving
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I guess that one can't "SHIP" the jobs overseas until they have the ships to ship the ships back over or the ships to ship the migrant replacements over.
Holy ship  .
Well at least the jobs are still in the states, and speaking of states..........
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Here is another sneaky little trick being done within Washington State regarding outsourcing high skilled labor.
More and more out of state contractors like: Canada bring labor in to do skilled work. Also, neighboring states like: Idaho, and Oregon are bringing in people to starve or squeeze the life out of unions.
It's becoming a popular trend.
Frankly, you should know that I don't support unions. I'm an independent contractor, but I thought that you might want to know about "The State of the Unions" in my state and that is why I chose to state what I did.
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Angel54214
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Attwood Marine Products plans to add 51 jobs in Lowell in wake of Tulsa plant closing
by Morgan Jarema | The Grand Rapids Press
Tuesday July 21, 2009, 1:48 PM
LOWELL -- Mercury Marine Inc. is relocating manufacturing of MotorGuide electric trolling motors from Oklahoma to Attwood Marine Products' Lowell plant, a move expected to be completed by Halloween, Attwood announced Tuesday.
The relocation, expected to add 51 jobs over five years, is part of larger consolidation by the Fond du Lac, Wis.-based recreational outboard marine engine maker to help it weather the recession. Attwood and MotorGuide are both part of Mercury Marine, a Brunswick Corp. division.
MotorGuide's Tulsa, Okla., plant is expected to close by Oct. 30. Those operations are expected to be consolidated in Lowell by Oct. 31, Attwood President Chris Drees said.
The Tulsa plant employs 61 people, with some being offered jobs in Lowell. The consolidation means a $2 million equipment expansion for Attwood's 160,000-square-foot Lowell facility, 1016 N. Monroe St.
The jobs would pay $576 a week plus benefits, are to be added within five years. Attwood currently employs 138 people in Lowell.
The Michigan Economic Growth Authority is expected today to expand a $452,000 high technology tax credit over seven years approved last July for Attwood to consolidate Mercury Marine's Swivl-Eze facility in Lancaster, Texas, to Lowell.
The City Council is considering a 50 percent, six-year tax abatement for $1.2 million in new equipment for the MotorGuide project. A public hearing on the request is at the council's meeting at 7:30 p.m. Aug. 3 in City Hall, 301 E. Main St.
Swivl-Eze makes boating parts including seating pedestals, ski-tow gear and transom savers. For that $1.8 million expansion, the city granted a $1 million, 12-year abatement, saving the company an estimated $60,000.
To date, Attwood has added 28 of the 40 jobs for that project.
Owned by Brunswick since 1984 and made part of its Tulsa-based Zebco fishing tackle division, MotorGuide dates to the 1961 invention of a Starkville, Miss., angler.
MotorGuide acquired Swivl-Eze in 1993, bought Pinpoint trolling motors and sonar in 1999 and moved all its Starkville manufacturing to Tulsa in 2000.
Brunswick sold Zebco's tackle business in 2000, but kept MotorGuide and made it part of its Mercury Marine division.
Adding MotorGuide is Attwood's latest expansion in Lowell, where it initially opened a zinc die-casting and plating facility in 1962.
Attwood had started in 1893 in Grand Rapids as a parts maker for carriages and hearses, but added marine parts in 1905.
In 1964, the company became a subsidiary of Grand Rapids-based office furniture maker Steelcase Inc. In 2003, Steelcase sold Attwood to Lake Forest, Ill.-based Brunswick.
Attwood currently employs more than 170, including its canvas division in Forest Park, Ga.
Mercury Marine is considering consolidating its Wisconsin operations employing about 2,000 people with its MerCruiser plant in Stillwater, Okla., employing about 380 people.
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SensualGemini
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AS: Frankly, you should know that I don't support unions. I'm an independent contractor, but I thought that you might want to know about "The State of the Unions" in my state and that is why I chose to state what I did.
...And yet, the government is by far, the largest employer of unions in the US, for which your party fully endorses and the unions full endorse your party; or it would be the Republicans in power.
...Maybe we will eventually agree, that neither party is the answer to the resolve, but at the moment, this country needs perpetual, long term employment and the fact is, this requires business to accomplish; not more welfare.
...The US is the largest foreign corporate haven in the world, yet we tax domestic corporations out of existence by giving preferential treatment to other than US citizens and this administration is intent on worsening that effect. No business, no jobs... ask Illinois, now a welfare state, of how Obama and clan (think Durbin) politics have worked for them.
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Angel: MotorGuide's Tulsa, Okla., plant is expected to close by Oct. 30. Those operations are expected to be consolidated in Lowell by Oct. 31, Attwood President Chris Drees said.
...Excellent! 
...Business has slumped across the nation in most sectors and although the rate of unemployment has slightly decreased, it is the summer. This recession started in 2007 and after shoving $Billions in the attempt to revive what was neglect for years in the financial and housing sector, with increasing expenditures in the giveaway programs, it is a long way from over.
...Fannie and Freddie sub-primes have been salvaged for now at the taxpayer expense, but the next housing onslaught will be the ARM's coming do. Meantime, commercial real estate continues to take a major bath, with the nation's second largest mall property management filing bankruptcy.
...Add that lower real estate prices reflect less local taxes collected to support local entities, such as schools, streets, fire, police, etc. and the snowball is growing larger as it comes down the hill.
...We need jobs and now! ...
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eastham
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But what give-aways did local government in Tulsa promise this company? Companies have become adept at milking local governments for enormous tax breaks, etc. Here in New York, Connecticut and New Jersey are always trying to lure companies away from the city with tax breaks.
In the case of Stanley Tools, the company first moved divisions down south, lured away by tax breaks and promises that local authorities would do everything in their power to thwart any attempts to unionize workers. In the end, the same divisions were sent overseas.
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| Aug 20 @ 4:39 PM |
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SensualGemini
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East: But what give-aways did local government in Tulsa promise this company?
...According to Angel's post, they are closing the Tulsa plant. 
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| Aug 20 @ 7:57 PM |
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MotownManiax
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East makes an excellent point. Tax breaks and sweetheart deals as a policy of luring business has a big downside.....New Jersey example:
Business Employment Incentive Program (BEIP), has, over the 11 years of its existence, provided nearly $540 million to hundreds of companies that moved to or expanded in New Jersey.2 In just the past two years, BEIP has cost the state $360.3 million, as more companies participate in the program and receive tax breaks.3 Under BEIP, companies get to keep a share of the money withheld for employees' state income tax in return for hiring specified numbers of people. It's part of a nationwide phenomenon: New Jersey, like other states and cities around the nation, is engaged in bidding wars against its neighbors in hope of luring companies and jobs. Battles for companies have become sort of a scorekeeping system, where politicians take credit for jobs "created" during their terms even though the jobs moved from someplace else in what is often a zero-sum game for the larger region. Companies, meanwhile, have grown adept at playing states off against each other to get deals they say determine where they will locate. But evidence continues to mount that the subsidies are not as crucial to companies as state officials seem to believe. In fact, it turns out that companies often decide where to move and then misleadingly announce they won't come without a subsidy, effectively picking the pockets of taxpayers with the blessing of government officials who fear damage to the state's image if a company goes elsewhere. PHARMA PHOLLIES Bristol-Myers Squibb's case is illustrative. Its application to New Jersey for a BEIP grant was dated May 15, 1997 and stated that without the subsidy the firm would move its Seattle operation to Wallingford, CT.4 But the Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper carried a story three weeks earlier—on April 24—saying the firm had notified workers it was closing the Seattle operation of the BMS Pharmaceutical Research Institute and relocating it to Princeton.5 Disingenuously, it now appears, the BEIP application said receiving a subsidy would be a significant factor in the decision to move to New Jersey. Then, earlier this year, Bristol-Myers Squibb announced layoffs of 4,300 workers worldwide due to upcoming expiration in 2011 of its patent for the firm's biggest money-maker, Plavix. Some of the layoffs will be in New Jersey, but the company has been tightlipped about the number. Patents give drug companies exclusivity on selling products; when a patent runs out, competition arises from identical, lower-priced drugs. It's a fact of life in the pharmaceutical business--so much so that New Jersey might be expected to inquire, before granting subsidies, whether a company moving to or expanding in the state faces any patent losses in the future. But that's a key question New Jersey doesn't ask before writing checks. BMS received $22.2 million in BEIP tax breaks over the last 10 years, among the top 10 payouts in BEIP.6 In return, it told New Jersey the subsidized jobs would remain in the state until 2012. Now, New Jersey's support for Bristol Myers Squibb is starting to look more and more like another example of "payoffs for layoffs." .... Full Article Here |
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| Aug 20 @ 10:06 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Mo: East makes an excellent point. Tax breaks and sweetheart deals as a policy of luring business has a big downside.....New Jersey example:
...What is the downside Mo? If they don't come, there would be no taxes, as well as no employment.
...All of this is based on taxes that they would have received and the fact is, taxes are why America has outsourced business to other countries and why today, US business has become predominately service orientated.
...The bottom line is that corporate America is playing the World Trade game that was imposed upon them by a government that allows cheap imports to compete, by a government that will give foreign corporations most favored status, provide the land, the financing, the tax exemptions, etc., but we will not do it for our own. And if nothing else will work, corporate America will continue to take their industry elsewhere and by the cards dealt to them, crying unpatriotic would be absurd.
...Can you blame them?
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musicianfriend
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This globalism has ruined the commerce in our country and many others.
We are the globalists 'experiment'....Its not working so well..but they dont care...
We just have to learn to live less..
What terrible leadership we have in this country...
Did you guys know about the HB-1 Visas..that outsource jobs on American soil? Engineering jobs..They are importing people from India here...and not hiring any Americans..as the supervisors are Indians and they are bigots and wont hire any Americans..at least here in Sac..where my friend worked thats whats been happeining...
Its funny how one race can be prejudice...but Whites are never allowed by the law to behave in that manner...
This is your gov.. at work...protecting Americans and American jobs....just like they are supposed to do..Thats their job... 
IMPEACH EVERYONE IN WASHINGTON District of Corruption
This globalism is stupid and has already ruined millions of peoples lives..
I dont see that it will benefit anyone here at all...except corporations...
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| Aug 21 @ 4:26 PM |
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musicianfriend
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...Maybe we will eventually agree, that neither party is the answer to the resolve, but at the moment, this country needs perpetual, long term employment and the fact is, this requires business to accomplish; not more welfare .
Agreed ....neither party at the top is going to do anything....they want this to happen to us...
...The US is the largest foreign corporate haven in the world, yet we tax domestic corporations out of existence by giving preferential treatment to other than US citizens and this administration is intent on worsening that effect. No business, no jobs... ask Illinois, now a welfare state, of how Obama and clan (think Durbin) politics have worked for them.
Thats your government at work..for the American People...
They allow foreigners from the south to invade us....then give them our SS and Medicare
Destroying our industry with EPA regulations....
Import high tech Engineers....thru HB-1 Visas....
Encouraging outsourcing of American jobs..
Do you people ever get the impression..that they want us to leave? Go somewhere else?
What are they going to do abou the 5 million jobless people in this nation..
There are NO JOBS anywhere for them...
Its going to be a powder keg very soon now..
The American people are pissed off at the gov...for the non stimulous bill that didnt do anything for jobs creation.
And calling us names , mobsters..domestic terrorists.....when all the while..it is they that are mobsters and terrorists..
They are not doing not one tiny little thing to help the American people..
I can see NOTHING..
They want a war..they are provoking one...
The gov. is full of very unscrupulous dangerous people who care more about their NWO pipe dream experiment..than they do running our country..
We need to weed out the weeds...and put them in jail...they are corrupt and they are traitors..
They have defiled our constitution..and have betrayed the people of America
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SensualGemini
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MF: Did you guys know about the HB-1 Visas..that outsource jobs on American soil? Engineering jobs..They are importing people from India here...and not hiring any Americans..as the supervisors are Indians and they are bigots and wont hire any Americans..at least here in Sac..where my friend worked thats whats been happeining..
...Although that concerns me, it does not nearly concern me as much as this national health plan.
...The last 9 of 11 interns at my local hospital were Middle Eastern and Indians, because they have preferential government treatment in Med school and will work a hell of a lot cheaper without insurance, while barely able to speak English.
...Economics of course, but at what detriment?
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1stsignofspring
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I work for a very large National Health care company and we have just FIRED our WHOLE IT department and hired a new one.........in Malaysia!! 
What the heck??!! 
My company advertises to be.....customer oriented.....we CARE about you...but NOT your jobs??
I think they should be heavily fined for NOT keeping the jobs here in Indiana which has a very high unemployment rate. They have completely ignored the current unemployment crisis in our state..... 
 To greedy business............you will reap the rewards of your greed...
(Steps down from her platform  )
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SensualGemini
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...True... maybe government should put a tariff on imported labor to at least the extent that local labor would cost.
...Nevertheless, as long as government is involved and manipulates world trade, business has to take advantage of it to survive. It is just a matter of time, before US labor will be competing directly with say Chinese labor, with the only difference being the transportation.
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Angel54214
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I remember recently reading about towards the end of Palin's governorship when she vetoed the Alaskan stimulus funds. She kept stating that these funds would lead to building contractors would enforce new building and renovation codes. When Palin left office, legislature reversed her vetoes. I don't recall all of the details, but some one else here may have the info at hand or recall more to this.
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Jankia
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Mercury permitted the Union to vote again and to the dismay of 380 workers in Oklahoma that will over the next two years lose their jobs to the 850 Wisconsin workers that wont be.
Mercury Marine will stay in Fond du Lac,Wi. and move its Stllwater operations north.
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| Sep 8 @ 11:16 AM |
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eastham
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What is the downside Mo? If they don't come, there would be no taxes, as well as no employment.
Here in the tri-state area, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey fall all over themselves trying to entice companies to cross borders. They provide huge tax breaks (both state corporate taxes and local property taxes) that cost the state and locality revenue and increase costs of emergency services, road building, extra use of the electric grid, etc. At the end of the day, regular taxpayers in the form of higher taxes of one type or the other or reduced services pay the price.
Hollywood has played states against each other for location shoots for years. Proponents have argued that providing tax breaks for a Hollywood film company to shoot a movie brings in revenue to local catering companies, restaurants, hotels, and boosts tourism. However, many of these benefits are short lived. How many months, weeks, days in additional tourism did Durham, NC realize after Bull Durham finished shooting?
Mercury Marien may be in Oklahoma for a good deal longer than a Hollywood film crew, however, if experience is our guide, they won't stay any longer than the length of their tax break and in all likelihood the jobs will go overseas. Look at Stanley Toolworks. They left New Britain, CT (ruining the community in the process as they were the largest employer), moved south, then moved to Asia.
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Jankia
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eastham- Mercury Marien may be in Oklahoma for a good deal longer than a Hollywood film crew, however, if experience is our guide, they won't stay any longer than the length of their tax break and in all likelihood the jobs will go overseas. Mercury Marine will stay in Fond du Lac,Wi. and move its Stllwater operations north to Fond du lac over the next two years..
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