| Aug 20 @ 8:19 PM |
The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
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SweetNapaGuy
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A surprising result has appeared from polling that revealed the core of the "birther" movement: Overall, about 11% of the nation believes Obama isn't a citizen, but within the South, the number rises to 23% (Northeast, 4%; Midwest, 6%; West, 7%).
That's right, the South is 4 times as likely to believe that Obama isn't a US citizen.
Toss in the "not sure" category, and it's even more surprising: The South has a 53% chance of either not believing or not being sure that Obama is an American citizen. Compared to that, the Northeast is at 7%, Midwest is at 10%, and West is at 13%. Overall, the South is 5 times more likely to be susceptible to the "birther" movement.
It's all part of a trend. Southern, white, low-paid, poorly-educated, older, and Republican: all of these (in various combinations) are attributes identified about the "birther" movement in various polls...
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| Aug 20 @ 8:34 PM |
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MotownManiax
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The demographics of the phenomena sound about right, Naps. Not surprising.
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| Aug 21 @ 6:42 PM |
The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
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lacyvsq
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...low-paid, poorly-educated, older...all of these (in various combinations) are attributes identified about the "birther" movement in various polls...
The poll you linked claims a 2% and higher margin of error which makes the 'older' part of your claim erroneous (60+ running close to 30-44). Where is there data to support low-paid and poorly educated?
Could it be that the South is suspect of this nation holding the presidential birth to constitutional requirements because history (War of Northern Aggression) has already painfully shown them that Constitutionality can be discarded at the whim of those in power anyway?
Birther who is antithesis of "profile"...
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| Aug 21 @ 8:44 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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There have been additional surveys showing the older (i.e., 30-somethings), low-paid, and poorly-educated.
But it's quite clear that being Southern and white seems to be a big indicator in whether a person will believe this conspiracy theory or not...
Again, there will be outliers, but the CORE of the birthers are concentrated in the ranks of Southern whites.
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| Aug 22 @ 3:16 AM |
The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
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bardnsage
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Daily Kos,,,,
what a bunch of leftist. OMG.
That's your source... 
OK,,, let's ASSUME your source is valid.
Just where did you take statistical analysis? Just because the replies from the south are high for NO,,, does not mean it is white republican low paid uneducated men from the south who responded NO.
The data and the methodology do not support your conclusions from the analysis.
You are bending the data to support your own sterotype model.
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| Aug 22 @ 3:20 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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The poll asked a very simple question. One that even you birthers can understand. "Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?"
Just how much liberal slant do you think there can be put into that question, hmmm?
Aside from the last paragraph (a compilation of a half-dozen polls that repeat the same data), everything is supported by the poll.
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| Aug 22 @ 3:23 AM |
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bardnsage
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Just how much liberal slant can you put on your flawed analysis of a simple table of data for for a two question survey,,,,
LOOK AT THE LINK,,,,
Tell me again,,, how the Southerns who don't beleive him are white, male, republican, uneducated, and low paid.
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| Aug 22 @ 3:26 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: There have been additional surveys showing the older (i.e., 30-somethings), low-paid, and poorly-educated.
...Then as Lacy requested, prove it, as your opinion is quickly showing it's bigotry and lack of credibility by injecting further BS into what is otherwise a Liberal rag.
...You claim to be 30-somethings, overly educated, but poorly paid, so what is your relevance?
...In all of the world wars, the majority of heroes have come from the South, so does that conclude the rest of the country is a bunch of cowards?
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| Aug 22 @ 3:29 AM |
The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
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Loren62
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Daily Kos,,,,
what a bunch of leftist. OMG.
That's your source..
You've got to be kidding me...he actually used the Daily Kos as a reliable source??? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!
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| Aug 22 @ 3:35 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Loren: You've got to be kidding me...he actually used the Daily Kos as a reliable source?
...Heck, I can give some credibility to the KOZ, but the OP's addition of his opinion as being fact... and Lacy subsequently questioned without a factual response, is what totally ruins his credibility.
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| Aug 22 @ 3:52 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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You've got to be kidding me...he actually used the Daily Kos as a reliable source???
No. I'm posting polling data from a professional polling company that asked one simple question. How hard is it to answer a question about "do you believe that Obama is a natural-born citizen of the United States"?
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| Aug 22 @ 4:19 AM |
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Nightowl001
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How hard is it to answer a question about "do you believe that Obama is a natural-born citizen of the United States"? They're not real good at those yes/no questions, Napa. It's too hard to make a choice. They much prefer being told what to think and given a rote script they can just repeat ad nauseum, without having to rely on thinking for themselves.
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| Aug 22 @ 4:47 AM |
The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
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SensualGemini
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...Surely, you must be in reference to the "Obama Prompter," which sadly, has not yet been reprogrammed for the conservative party by removing the need for a welfare pin to open the program.
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| Aug 22 @ 5:11 AM |
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Nightowl001
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...has not yet been reprogrammed for the conservative party by removing the need for a welfare pin to open the program. Hey, that was almost witty. (Still need to work at it, though.)
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| Aug 22 @ 9:08 AM |
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CPUfan
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Well, Obama probably isn't a 'citizen' in the South, but he is the elected President ...
(You might need to think a little about that lol)
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| Aug 22 @ 1:11 PM |
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bardnsage
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Just how much liberal slant can you put on your flawed analysis of a simple table of data for for a two question survey,,,,
LOOK AT THE LINK,,,,
Tell me again,,, how the Southerns who don't beleive him are white, male, republican, uneducated, and low paid.
OK,, still don't understand your statistical anaylsis on this.
NIGHTOWL,,, since you seem to be agreeing with him,,,, why don't you take a shot at it.
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| Aug 23 @ 4:42 AM |
The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
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SensualGemini
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The "birther" conspiracists: The "last hurrah" of segregationists?
...The Socialist Liberals have to maintain segregation, as otherwise, if everyone became as they are, who is going to pay the bills? 
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Bard: NIGHTOWL,,, since you seem to be agreeing with him,,,, why don't you take a shot at it.
...Since he posted the same BS in another thread, I have been waiting on either to explain their ignorant bigotry.
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| Aug 23 @ 5:21 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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The Most (and Least) Educated States
by Kris Kendall
Which is the smartest state in the union? That all depends on how "smart" is defined. An easy start is to determine the educational level of each population. According to the United States Census Bureau's most recent data (2003), the most educated state is not a state at all. In the District of Columbia, 44.2 percent of the population over the age of 25 has at least a four-year degree. We should probably take heart that the politicians, lawyers, educators, and various professionals who run our nation's capital have had some sort of college education.
According to the Census Bureau, the average median annual household income from 2003 to 2005 in Massachusetts was $54,617, the eighth highest in the country. Colorado ranks eleventh at $52,011, and Connecticut is fifth with a median annual income of $57,369. A quick look at the top ten "most educated" states shows that seven out of ten also rank in the top ten for median annual household income: See chart. And it goes on,
Since 2002, Morgan Quinto has published a "Smartest State Award" list, which ranks all 50 states based on 21 positive and negative factors that influence the education quality as well as the education level of the residents of each state. These variables include how much the state spends on each student annually, number of high school graduates, subject-area proficiency, and teacher salary. There can be no true comparison between Morgan Quinto's rankings and the Census Bureau's data, as Morgan Quinto's research deals only with elementary and secondary education levels. But a curious pattern develops when we view Morgan Quinto's 2006-07 top ten "smartest states." See chart here too.
I am kind of upset about Wisconsin and Ill not making this part of the list.
So lets jump down to the report about the least educated states shall we.
Please see chart.
Regarding the low end of the list, it's clear that some of the states listed face economic hurdles based on struggling industries such as coal mining (West Virginia) and an increase in service-industry jobs (Louisiana) that generally offer lower pay scales than skilled labor or white-collar employment. And from the Morgan Quinto list alone, it's clear that Alaska, California, and Hawaii have some education-expenditure prioritizing to do.
But we can take away from these lists a valuable piece of information: Education increases earning potential. Whether it's the simple comparison of adults with four-year degrees to the median household income, or the more complex mapping of a well-supported and robust elementary and secondary education system, those with schooling have better opportunities for greater financial success. Link.
So the top ten with Percent of population older than 25 with bachelor's degree or, Not including D.C. are,
Massachusetts
Colorado
Connecticut
Maryland
Virginia
New Jersey
Vermont
Minnesota
New Hampshire
Washington
With a ball park about ave. of 32 - 33%
While the bottom ten are with an about ball park ave of 19 -20 %
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Louisiana
Alabama
Indiana
Nevada
Arkansas
Mississippi
Kentucky
West Virginia
Noticing anything here? Them be a lot of southern states.
So when ya shooting fish in a barrel, or "randomly" phoning out the poll questions, ya got to take in consideration of the barrel huh?
Wait a minute, valuable piece of information: Education increases earning potential. Obama just maybe on to something here with his " college free ride" huh?
Cause we all know when ya make more they take more.
That should ease up the individual tax burdens huh? Maybe oh say, give back the tax cuts Bushy gave in say eight to ten years? How come the republican missed this? 
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| Aug 23 @ 5:30 AM |
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SensualGemini
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...Now, you are being rhetorical by posting the same thing in duplicate threads.
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| Aug 23 @ 5:39 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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An analysis. No matter how you slice it, white Southerners are massively, significantly overrepresented in the ranks of birthers. When 70% of the movement is concentrated in 27% of the population, you've REALLY got to wonder what's going on.
(Source: Census 2008 estimates)
Northeast: 19% of US population
Midwest: 23%
South: 36%
West: 22%
(Source: Census 2008 estimates)
Northeast: 82% white
Midwest: 86%
South: 77%
West: 82%
(Source: Research 2000 poll)
"unsure" plus "naysayers" = 23% nationwide
Northeast: 7% "unsure" plus "naysayers"
Midwest: 10%
South: 53% (Note: this is FOUR TIMES larger than the next-highest region)
West: 13%
Using the data provided, we have:
Northeast: (19% of US population) times (7% "unsure" plus "naysayers") = 1% of US population
Midwest: (23% of US population) times (10% "unsure" plus "naysayers") = 2% of US population
South: (36% of US population) times (53% "unsure" plus "naysayers") = 19% of US population
West: (22% of US population) times (13% "unsure" plus "naysayers) = 3% of US population
(Rounding error causes total to equal 25%)
Note right off the bat: approximately THREE QUARTERS of birthers reside in a region that makes up only 36% of the population. (Margin of error would assume that it ranges from 70% to 80% of the birther movement.)
If we assume that every single minority in the South is a member of the birther movement, we'd have:
Blacks in the South: (6.8% of US population) times (3% "unsure" plus "naysayers") = 0.2% of 16-18% birthers in the South
Other minorities in the South: (1.4% of US population) times (13% "unsure" plus "naysayers"--US Census data didn't mesh well with Research 2000 poll, so I took the worse number) = 0.2% of the 16-18% birthers in the South
There will be some discrepancies, because of the usual margins of error and rounding errors. But the data is clear. The birthers are disproportionately concentrated in the South. And even if every minority in the South was a birther, that'd still leave white Southerners as being 60 to 65% birther. Given the national trends for minorities, though, it looks closer to white Southerners as being about 75% birther.
So explain to us, please, how 27% of the population harboring some 70% of the birther movement is NOT significant...?
Note that I've made every effort to down-size the numbers that point to the white Southerners' totals. The rough percentages point to 18% of the 23% being from white Southerners, but I've downgraded it to simply 16%. Even then, 70% of birthers are white Southerners (+/- 5 to 10%).
It was even worse than I suspected. I said they were the core of the birther movement, but I hardly expected them to be the super-majority...
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