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Aug 31 @ 7:28 PM The truth about depopulation    
Loreli


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The decline of the population of a given area, usually caused by people moving to other areas for economic reasons, rather than an increase in the death rate or decrease in birth rate.
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Aug 31 @ 9:16 PM The truth about depopulation    
chubs


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well, I think MD is in on the diabolical depopulation plot
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Aug 31 @ 9:29 PM The truth about depopulation    
SensualGemini


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Loreli: The decline of the population of a given area, usually caused by people moving to other areas for economic reasons, rather than an increase in the death rate or decrease in birth rate.

...I guess it would depend on the area, the environment and the culture at that moment, but the statement sounds reasonable for normal depopulation.

...Just the opposite, I was reading in a Census report, that immigrant Latinos, legal or not, were reproducing at a rate of up to 500% of the white population for that area.


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Aug 31 @ 9:31 PM The truth about depopulation    
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Aug 31 @ 9:50 PM The truth about depopulation    
Loreli


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Depopulation theories are horse do.
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Sep 1 @ 4:06 PM The truth about depopulation    
Say_Yes


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The decline of the population of a given area, usually caused by people moving to other areas for economic reasons, rather than an increase in the death rate or decrease in birth rate.

In large, I agree. The primary reason for a decrease in population in a given area is typically economic. There is nothing new in this. The USA use to be a largely agrarian society, but with changes in technology, farm yields & productivity greatly increased. The result, the population of rural areas decreased, as people moved to cities, in search of employment. Much of this shift, was to major population centers in the northeast and what is now, the rust belt of the midwest.

Over the last 20 years or so, employment opportunities in the rust belt states and the northeast have waned, (due to a combination of reasons) and people in those areas have migrated to areas, with lower cost of living and lower unemployment rates. Over the last 20 years, this migration has largely been to the south.

Weather also plays a part though. The warmer weather has led to a large number of people (especially retirees) relocating from these colder regions. Several cold climate areas, have excellent employment statistics, but they have little change in population (ND, SD, IA for example). If the moves were purely motivated by economics, then Sioux Falls, SD & Des Moines, IA would have explosive growth. They don't. As such, I must conclude that weather has a lot to do with it.
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Sep 1 @ 4:13 PM The truth about depopulation    
eastham


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And then there is the aging population. Snowbirds retiring full or part-time to Florida, etc.
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Sep 1 @ 4:44 PM The truth about depopulation    
Heaveninawildflower


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Or Arizona...and don't forget the migrating population, aka snowbirds. Oops, I see you didn't forget!

Phoenix was the 5th most populous city in the USA last I looked - we overtook Philly. NYC on the other hand, was 8 million people when I was a kid, and I think they still are. The better paying jobs moved out, and where possible the people who had them moved with them, like me.

Yes, I definitely believe that depopulation in a country that's not engaged in a war on their own lands will normally be due to jobs moving out, or a younger generation who can't find work moving to where they can.
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Sep 1 @ 5:34 PM The truth about depopulation    
CPUfan


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Heaven, that process commenced in Britain as long ago as a century. Two world wars and the system of imperial preference and free trade annihilated the cotton, clothing, fabric and carpet industries of Northern England, mainly on account of cheap manufactures from India and Asia. Cheap Asian products also competed in other world markets, at prices neither British producers nor labour could compete with.

Since the late 1700s huge factories and mills had grown in all the towns and cities of the north of England, first connected by man-made canals and Atlantic shipping then by the railways. Every single one of the mills that physically survives in Lancashire and Yorkshire is now a department store, industrial units or shopping centres. Heaton and Salts mills in Bradford taken together were almost a mile long and 500 yards wide - and on numerous floors! Now people mostly shop where the machines and spinners used to stand. The iron struts and supports are still there but no clothes have been manufactured there since the 1970s.

Bradford centre now has the largest Islamic population in Britain, living in the old terrace houses built for the mills. Many work in the shops and services of English companies but many have shops and restaurants of their own. Many of the 'Yorkshiremen' who lived there before now live and work out of the city, either in Leeds or the smaller towns around or the Aire Valley outside Bradford. Many of them are unemployed too as there are only really jobs in services and engineering. Industrial production is a small employer now.

Thus both the city and and the population that existed in such towns before is now entirely different and employed in entirely different ways, if at all.



[Edited on 9/1/2009 5:41 PM]
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Sep 9 @ 1:10 PM The truth about depopulation    
CPUfan


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> Vast Victorian mill in Bradford, Listers Heaton Mills, disused in 80s and 90s. <
Where did the population go?
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Sep 9 @ 2:41 PM The truth about depopulation    
redhairNfreckles


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I think we are in for some kind of a "depopulation" right here in the states, and soon. Our government would love to have us baby boomers who are now ready for social security benefits and Medicare enrollment, to just disappear somehow. We would be putting a huge strain or wiping out all ready struggling funds, especially since job loss has eliminated citizens "replenishing the pot".
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Sep 10 @ 2:13 AM The truth about depopulation    
Angel54214


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I think that's why the democrats are now trying to establish a fine upon anyone that does not purchase health care.
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Sep 10 @ 3:05 AM The truth about depopulation    
redhairNfreckles


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I'd like to know how our government expects to fine someone who doesn't have insurance when their measly SS check won't cover a trumped up premium payment after paying their cost of living expenses, medications, etc.
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Sep 10 @ 3:15 AM The truth about depopulation    
Always_Striving


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Volunteering myself to reverse the depopulation trend. Any takers?
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Sep 10 @ 4:45 AM The truth about depopulation    
lacyvsq


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Wiki seems to have a somewhat different view than the free online dictionary, with a greater emphasis on death:

Depopulation (also known as population decline) is a term used to describe any great reduction in a human population. It can be used to refer to longterm demographic trends, as in urban decay or rural depopulation, but it is also commonly employed to describe large reductions in population due to violence, disease, or other catastrophes.

History is replete with examples of large scale depopulations. Many wars, for example, have been accompanied by significant depopulations.

During the Age of Imperialism, Europeans migrating to new continents brought with them not only devastating new means of waging warfare and/or violent economic systems such as slavery, but also, often inadvertently, infectious diseases such as smallpox to which indigenous peoples had no resistance. These factors, particularly the latter, sometimes had a devastating impact on the indigenous inhabitants.

Some notable historical examples of large depopulation of entire continents include:

* The Plague of Justinian in Europe and the Middle East;[3]
* The Black Death in Europe, Asia and the Middle East in the Middle Ages;
* The impact of the Arab and European slave trades on the continent of Africa
* The impact of European colonialism and accompanying introduced infectious diseases in the Americas and Australia.[4]

Some examples of depopulation of large regions brought about mainly by warfare include:

* The Mongol Conquests of China, Russia and the Middle East;
* Tamurlane's military campaigns in the Middle and Near East;
* The Thirty Years War in Europe;

- and a great many others.

Famine has also frequently played a role in depopulation, whether as a result of war, climatic conditions, human incompetence and so on.

In recent years depopulation is observed in many countries of Eastern Europe due to a catastrophic increase in death rates in the early 1990s.
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Sep 10 @ 12:23 PM The truth about depopulation    
redhairNfreckles


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^^^^^^^ lacy
Just ask the Native Americans what they think about smallpox and blankets....
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Sep 10 @ 1:19 PM The truth about depopulation    
Heaveninawildflower


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In recent years depopulation is observed in many countries of Eastern Europe due to a catastrophic increase in death rates in the early 1990s.

And as AS was pointing out, it's also affected by the lowered birth rate.

(Sorry Always, too late for me to contribute, I've done my bit already, for better or worse)

Less than zero population growth from About.com, October 2007 below. Iraq's not included but I'll bet the numbers there are pretty staggering, between emigration and death rates.

Russia: -0.6%; -22%
Belarus -0.6%; -12%
Bulgaria -0.5%; -34%
Latvia -0.5%; -23%
Lithuania -0.4%; -15%
Hungary -0.3%; -11%
Romania -0.2%; -29%
Estonia -0.2%; -23%
Moldova -0.2%; -21%
Croatia -0.2%; -14%
Germany -0.2%; -9%
Czech Republic -0.1%; -8%
Japan 0%; -21%
Poland 0%; -17%
Slovakia 0%; -12%
Italy 0%; -5%
Slovenia 0%; -5%
Greece 0%; -4%
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Sep 10 @ 4:02 PM The truth about depopulation    
Always_Striving


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^ I'm too late ahhhh, if I had only met you earlier

ok I better stop acting like a troll in this thread.

This is serious stuff, as a matter of fact there are a great deal of videos on YouTube about this subject that I've been watching over the last week.
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Oct 11 @ 6:10 AM The truth about depopulation    
Always_Striving


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Here is a video about Japan's problem

This is the same reason why immigration is important to the United States..... Depopulation is a national security issue for all countries. Someday an enemy nation may just walk right through our door and take over and there will be no resistance.
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Oct 12 @ 6:58 PM The truth about depopulation    
Bj864


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I think people will go to where the jobs are.

If it is possible they will often go to where the weather is better.

The reason retirees move to Florida is that they have already made their living. Wages are lower here than in a lot of states.
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