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How do we avoid depression and a dark age?
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Patrik707
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To much debt, to little resources left and higher savings rate. The stockmarket would be high valued if it went down 90%. Investors are hoping for a new super economy and China to take over. It´s not going to happen as far as i understand.
LaRouche mean we need to put the system through controlled bankruptcy. Usa, China, Russia and India must join in a new credit system.
http://larouchepac.com/lpactv?nid=11734
Your thoughts?
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| Sep 12 @ 11:36 AM |
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DRTENHIGH
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well the problem in the world to day is many,to many people is the main one,for the amount of resources we got,,two is people want to blame it on the government only,greed is spreading,the biggest disease in the world and it is man made we let the business people in this world get way to much power,this is where the disease greed breeds and spreads,you need at least 5 classes of people not 2,as in india where ther is the super rich and the super poor,and i will stop here and let the rest of you all go from here.
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| Sep 12 @ 1:02 PM |
How do we avoid depression and a dark age?
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Always_Striving
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LaRouche is a scratched record and he might be a scammer. I've talked to some of his foot soldiers when they came to the Seattle area earlier this year.
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| Sep 12 @ 2:29 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Is it something they're missing at birth that makes so many conservatives so ready to describe anything they don't like with hyperbole equating to disatrous outcomes, when the actualities of what they're talking about were many, many times worse for the people living through them than anything they are trying to scare people into fearing will actually be?
Obama isn't Hitler. Neither was Bush. There will be no "dark age," even if the economy completely collapses. There will be a restructuring of the economy and probably a decline in the standard of living for many people. That's scary enough, all by itself. The morons don't have to claim The Flood is coming every time rain is predicted.
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| Sep 12 @ 2:54 PM |
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lacyvsq
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A total collapse of the economy is overdue. It has been built for some time on a house of cards. It is presently nothing more than illusion. Frankly I am would like to see it happen -- see if people will give up their selfishness and work together...initially for survival and eventually to again thrive.
I think anyone who expects rescue from government or big business or 'philanthropists' like Gates is playing the fool tho.
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| Sep 12 @ 7:35 PM |
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uab_5
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How do we avoid depression and a dark age?
Extra cymbalta for everyone? 
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| Sep 13 @ 3:43 AM |
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Patrik707
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Not that kind of depression. But something like pot or other entheogens might be a good idea.  Spiritual growth instead of economic?
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| Sep 16 @ 1:02 AM |
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lacyvsq
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I think it is upon us...
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| Sep 17 @ 2:23 AM |
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southernlass
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Is it something they're missing at birth that makes so many conservatives so ready to describe anything they don't like with hyperbole equating to disatrous outcomes, when the actualities of what they're talking about were many, many times worse for the people living through them than anything they are trying to scare people into fearing will actually be?
Obama isn't Hitler. Neither was Bush. There will be no "dark age," even if the economy completely collapses. There will be a restructuring of the economy and probably a decline in the standard of living for many people. That's scary enough, all by itself. The morons don't have to claim The Flood is coming every time rain is predicted.
I think conservatives are uncomfortable with President Obama and some of his history, and friendships with assundry questionable people. They are feeling out of sorts and are having to deal with a philosophy that is anti-conservative essentially, just as liberals had to deal with the same when President George W. Bush was in office -- though many might say that President George W. Bush was anything but conservative in his spending...and they would be right.
Something interesting though was mentioned to me a few days ago that I've been thinking about.
I have a couple who are retired military as new tenants and the gentleman mentioned to me that he and his wife have always been conservative Republican, but he said that most recently they've determined to become more liberal-leaning and are even planning on voting Democrat in the future due to the constant negativity and fear-mongering that seems to keep leaking out of the right. He said that he found the liberal Democrats to be " a lot more positive." I just kind of nodded and said "hmm.." a lot.
I'm beginning to notice that more and more people are saying this of late, after President Obama's most recent congressional address on healthcare.
Perhaps conservatives might attempt to be a little more positive and upbeat, and even supportive of the current president. I know none of us appreciated the slurs on the conservative side of things prior to President Obama's election. If we found it unattractive, I'm sure it isn't any prettier when we're doing it.
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| Sep 17 @ 7:50 AM |
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eyesofastranger
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In the free democratic countries we are heading into the reality of the failure of our system. This free system worked great before and during the world wars. It even fuctioned well during the cold war. These next words are only observation and will not be kind.
Look out your window at the nearest bus stop. That young lady in stained pajama pants 100lbs overwieght will probably have four kids with very low iq same as herself. The yuppie inteligent family next door will have maybe 1 child or none!
We now relize our current energy system is not sustainable. I believe this deep perception we all have was the real reason for the economic crissis.
These observations increase with every generation.
The original question was how do we avoid it? I dunno?
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| Sep 17 @ 9:08 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Look out your window at the nearest bus stop. That young lady in stained pajama pants 100lbs overwieght will probably have four kids with very low iq same as herself. The yuppie inteligent family next door will have maybe 1 child or none!
Bad guess!!!
The people I see with four kids are the Hispanic owners of construction companies -- first generation immigrants (no fluoride in the water they drank for the first decade and a half of life). The (violent) crime rate in the US has been dropping over the past one or two decades -- some believe because the poor have greater access to abortion.
Intelligence does not come from genetic engineering. Nor does this depression/economic downturn arise from lowered intelligence/literacy. It stems from greed and consumerism -- an emphasis on 'what's in it for me?' rather than 'what's in it for (an ever-expanding) us?'
When I worked at Enron many years ago, we played a game designed for team-building. As each smaller group completed their piece of the game, they moved out to offer help to others as the game was not 'won' until all groups had completed the puzzle.
This nation began as an inventive, productive place - with the masses largely pursuing the basics/essentials of life. Somewhere around the time of Bernays, it shifted to a marketing/consumer/debt society. We 'need' such things as microwave ovens, cell phones, computers, shoes to match each outfit, clothes for ever imaginable occasion, TVs (family room and bedroom), bedroom for each child...
Everything we buy is designed to become obsolete in a few years or less. We have to keep replacing 'things' in order for our GDP to remain constant or growing. We have to keep throwing away in order to make room for the latest...
If each man, woman child kept in their closets only the clothes they could wear in a week and bought new only when the old was worn out and bought only the highest quality of clothing...
If each family had only one TV, phone, computer...and those things were designed to last as long as a Maytag washer...
If people ate food from the gardens they could raise with the time they had because they did not have to pay for 'new'...
If people only bought those things they could pay off today...
Even in our bodies, the 'planned obsolescence' is being accelerated through overfeeding with processed (poor quality) foods and polluted water so that we feel compelled to spend more and more money on body (health) maintenance and replacement.
There are not enough dollars in the world to pay off all the current debt. As time moves on, the gap between total dollars and accumulated debt grows. That kind of economy cannot help but collapse/fail at some point.
The 'fear' rises and we want to protect ourselves first of all. We 'need' a job and money! We have turned the means into the end.
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| Sep 17 @ 4:43 PM |
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Patrik707
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To avoid social chaos, instead of the regular terror BS for control that won´t work the leaders should educate people in real spirituality. A meditating monk is happy in his cave without any luxury.
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| Sep 18 @ 9:57 AM |
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eyesofastranger
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It seems Lacy that there is some huge differences between your neighborhood and mine. In Canada for the most part we welcome our immigrants. The first generation have some strange ideas and struggle a bit but the second generation have become so Canadian and adopt the Canadian way of life almost every time. Both of our opinions are too narrow in this regard. In my small community their is a noticeable brain drain over my life so far.
The built in obsolescence of today's products is true and unsustainable. Some kind of adjustment or collapse is imminent at some point. If you shop around it is often possible to find a product designed to last a lifetime. I have done this many times and purchase the life lasting product wherever possible. I buy many clothes from Tilley Endurables for example.
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