| Sep 18 @ 4:54 PM |
WASNT THE VIETNAM WAR...A WAR AGAINST COMMUNISM?
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musicianfriend
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Check this out....in the 60's...many of our country men lost their lives fighting communism..
Today...some displaced Laotians want to take their country back....fight communism...JUST LIKE WE DID...and they faced charges?
Perhaps it has something to do with the communism creeping into our own society...Perhaps our elected officials of the 2000's are not against communism anymore?
This is just plain wrong....These people have the right to try to take back their country..
Its so damn hypocritical....as this gov...the shadow gov..have taken out political leaders in many countries..and are still threatning to do so to this day according to Chavez of Venezuala...and Achmedinijad of Iran..
Yet..the gov. deems it wrong for a Laotian trying to take his own country back? Perhaps these folks want to go back home? I dont blame them...thats THEIR country..and Id want to go home too.....
But with communisim still in power in Laos...its impossible for these good people to go home...unless. they eradicate the cancer that permeates their country..
Check this out..
http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2192606.html#Comments_Container
Feds drop charges against Hmong leader Vang Pao ShareThis Published: Friday, Sep. 18, 2009 - 10:39 am The federal government has dropped its charges against Hmong leader Vang Pao, who was indicted along with 10 others more than two years ago for allegedly plotting the violent overthrow of the communist regime in Laos.U.S. Attorney Lawrence Brown of Sacramento announced today that a federal grand jury returned a sealed superseding indictment Thursday omitting Vang as a defendant. The indictment charges the other 10 who were named in the first indictment and adds two new defendants. Brown noted that federal prosecutors have wide charging discretion and may consider, among other factors, a person's culpability, history and consequences of a conviction. He was not more specific as to which of these may have come into play with respect to the 79-year-old Vang. "In our measured judgment, and based on the totality of the evidence in the case and the circumstances regarding defendant Vang Pao, we believe that continued prosecution of this defendant is no longer warranted," Brown said. He declined to comment further. A storm of protest spread through the Hmong community, both in the United States and abroad, as well as among veterans of the Vietnam War, and even some members of Congress, over the indictment of Vang, the most influential leader in modern Hmong history.
( Our countrymen died for this cause...I see no reason to stop these previous citizens of Laos from taking their country back from despots...tyrannical dictators..who choke the life out of freedom..and only offer slavedom..) He rose from a 13-year-old runner to a major general in the Royal Lao Army - the highest rank ever attained by a Hmong tribesman. He led a CIA-sponsored guerilla army against the Pathet Lao, (ISNT THAT US?) Viet Cong and North Vietnamese between 1960 and 1975, before the fall to the communists of South Vietnam and then Laos, native country of the Hmong. Vang's units suffered heavy casualties and are credited with saving uncounted thousands of American lives.( Thank you Vang...your a good man!) William Colby, former head of the CIA, once called Vang "the biggest hero of the Vietnam War."The charges in the new indictment are much the same as those in the first indictment. All 12 defendants - 11 Hmong men and a retired Army lieutenant colonel from Woodland - are charged with conspiring to violate the Neutrality Act by scheming to topple the government of a country at peace with the United States.(They want their country back..They oppose communist slavery and murder....Its NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!) They are also charged with conspiring to "kill, maim and injure" persons and to damage property in a foreign country, to export military grade weapons to Laos without a license from the U. S. Department of State, and to receive and transport explosives in interstate and foreign commerce. Eight of the men are charged with conspiring to receive and possess ground-to-air Stinger missiles. Finally, all of them are charged with actually violating the Neutrality Act. (  I have to laugh...Isnt this what the Shadow Gov. has always done in the past? Even perhaps right now..with the impending WW3 to come..all thought up and orchestrated by the NWO types. Read your history of how Israel came to be...the 90,000 acres of land purchased by Rothschild..and why he purchased that particular land..) They all face a maximum life plus 18 years in prison if convicted on every counts. Those charged in the Stinger missile count face an additional life term. The latter count carries a mandatory minimum 25 years to life. ShareThis
This is absurd...we did the same thing this man wants to do...So whats the problem? Perhaps we should help him finish the job the politicans would NOT let us finish...thus many many wasted lives of our country men...A war...made to happen only for profit by the Elites...!
What do you think?
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| Sep 18 @ 4:56 PM |
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musicianfriend
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This entire event is absurd...
These people are trying to get their country back...To free their loved ones from a muderous regime...
Whats wrong with that....
Since when did the American gov. ...go along with any neutrality act...They just do what they want ...and then make up lies...
THE NEUTRALITY ACT...
A series of acts passed in 1935, 1936, 1937, and 1939 to limit U.S. involvement in possible future wars and that was created in response to the belief that U.S. involvement in World War I resulted from loans and trade with the Allies. The 1935 act banned the shipment of war materials to belligerents and forbade U.S. citizens to travel on belligerent vessels. The 1936 act banned loans to belligerents. The 1937 act extended these provisions to civil wars and allowed the president to restrict nonmunitions sales to a “cash-and-carry” basis. The 1939 act banned U.S. ships from carrying goods or passengers to belligerent ports but allowed U.S. sales of munitions on a “cash-and carry” basis. The Lend-Lease Act of 1941 diminished the laws, and they were repealed on November 13, 1941.
This is crap....the same people have created more wars since 1937.....
These wars have all been created to make profits for the warmongers that support BOTH SIDES...nothing has changed..
This Neutrality act is but smoke and mirrors...its does nothing to stop the true trouble makers in our society....
This is ONLY to control the American people...NOT THE ELITES..
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| Sep 18 @ 5:50 PM |
WASNT THE VIETNAM WAR...A WAR AGAINST COMMUNISM?
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Always_Striving
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Terrorists are poor people, freedom fighters are rich people...... at least that is the bullsh!t they are teaching Americans.
Both are trying to accomplish the exact same damn thing. 
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| Sep 18 @ 7:00 PM |
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Jankia
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Basically the war against communism is over.
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| Sep 18 @ 9:01 PM |
WASNT THE VIETNAM WAR...A WAR AGAINST COMMUNISM?
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uab_5
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Achmedinijad of Iran
Learn to spell.
AHMEDINEJAD
or as I call him
Little Napoleon of Persia!
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| Sep 18 @ 9:20 PM |
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robodad
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Achmedinijad of Iran  Isn't it Achmed-in-a-jar?
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| Sep 18 @ 9:48 PM |
WASNT THE VIETNAM WAR...A WAR AGAINST COMMUNISM?
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uab_5
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The dictator that Dubya got elected!
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| Sep 19 @ 6:07 AM |
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Koray
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It was a cover up for oil scam ...
Herbert Hoover, did a study that showed that one of the world's largest oil fields ran along the coast of the South China Sea right off French Indo-China, now known as Vietnam.
General MacArthur supplied weapons to Ho Chi Minh in order to drive out the French, not the Chinese, and the war was just a coverup for a massive oil survey conducted by Rockefeller's Standard Oil company. After the war was over, various worldwide companies won bids for drilling, but Standard was the only one that actually struck oil
just coincidence was it ?
Fuelling the War
Revealing an Oil Compnay's Role in Vietnam
http://us.macmillan.com/fuellingthewar
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| Sep 19 @ 6:14 AM |
WASNT THE VIETNAM WAR...A WAR AGAINST COMMUNISM?
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Koray
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google White Tiger Oil Field ( one of the largest oil fields on the planet )
in the 1960s, the US (at the behest of Standard Oil, and interestingly Zapata Oil, George Bush' offshore drilling company) decided to start a war in Vietnam
, so they could "drop bombs" all along the coast of Vietnam and map out where the oil was (and where it wasn't). Standard's (Exxon's) exploration lasted for about 10 years, from the Gulf of Tokin incident in 1964 through the American withdrawl from Saigon in 1975..
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| Sep 19 @ 6:25 AM |
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CPUfan
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"Louis Wesseling has written a fascinating memoir about his three years as Shell Oil Company's top executive in Vietnam...Wesseling gives us great detail on just how important oil was in Vietnam." -- Pacific Affairs That's a very interesting link, Koray. Thank you for pointing that out to us. It's so difficult to establish the true facts of what really happened in Vietnam, especially in the politics and current events thread. 
So the Vietnam War was more than just a simple Communist conspiracy against the United States, then, after all?
> http://us.macmillan.com/fuellingthewar <
Macmillan press is a very reputable global publisher of history books. I wonder why no US publisher was available?
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| Sep 19 @ 6:38 AM |
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bardnsage
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Well,, since Lady BIrd had so much stock in BELL,,,I thought it was a war to sell helicopters.
Has anyone else noticed that Hank Hill named his dog after the former first lady.
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| Sep 19 @ 9:30 AM |
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eastham
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Vang Pao is a former general and a Hmong. This isn't the simple case of a Lao wanting to bring down its communist masters, it is a far more complicated story of Lao vs. Hmong.
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| Sep 19 @ 10:20 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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so you see why us old timers....
never believed Bush..... 
there were no viable weapons of mass destruction in Iraq..
just history repeating itself....
and this is why I still think that Bush et al could have stopped 9-11 from happening...''.... 
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| Sep 19 @ 1:11 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Koray's post there is an almost verbatim post to another forum made some years ago which offered very little support...
...but...in looking for support, I found a couple of interesting books online, written in 1928 and 1930 by Ludwell Denny : We Fight for Oil and America Conquers (selected chapters).
An excerpt:
To equalise the contending forces American petroleum princes have sought State Department support. “The only thing needed now is an aggressive foreign policy on the part of the United States,” was the plea of Mr. A.C. Bedford, late chairman of Standard Oil of New Jersey. “All proper diplomatic support in obtaining and operating oil-producing property” abroad was recommended by the Federal Trade Commission in 1923.6
Such prodding was not needed by the State Department. Since 1902 its consuls had been active in behalf of Standard and other American companies abroad.7 As the Anglo-American competition intensified, the Department from time to time reminded its foreign representatives of their duties in this connexion. Specific instructions were sent by the Department to all United States diplomatic and consular officers on August 16, 1919, as follows: “You are also instructed to lend all legitimate aid to reliable and responsible United States citizens or interests which are seeking mineral oil concessions or rights. Care should be taken, however, to distinguish between United States citizens representing United States capital and United States citizens representing foreign capital; also between companies incorporated in the United States and actually controlled by United States capital and those companies which are merely incorporated under United States laws but dominated by foreign capital.”8
Mr. Charles Evans Hughes testified before the Coolidge Federal Oil Conservation Board: “The foreign policy of the Government, which is expressed in the phrase ‘Open Door,’ consistently prosecuted by the Department of State, has made it possible for our American interests abroad to be intelligently fostered and the needs of our people, to no slight extent, to be appropriately safeguarded.”9 The former Secretary of State and present counsel of the American Petroleum Institute and Standard Oil speaks with the authority of experience.
If the British Government by company ownership and direct participation in the struggle for foreign reserves has transformed oil into an international explosive, the Washington Government in challenging British supremacy may touch off that explosive. The most provocative activities of the State Department since the Great War have been in the service of oil.
Bear in mind, this was written before WWII.
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| Sep 19 @ 1:25 PM |
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Koray
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It is certainly no coincidence that during the same "formative years" of
the exploitation of Southeast Asia - 1965-1969 - that the war in Vietnam was being launched and prosecuted full force. Why? The main oil shipping corridor from Indonesia to Japan (and thence to the U.S.) lays between Indonesia and Vietnam. It is interesting to note that Hainan Island also lies in this corridor - the same area that was the center of our recent spy plane incursion. This corridor is mentioned in Baker Institute reports on U.S. energy policy as being a "keep out of the hands of the Chinese at all costs" zone. The main shipping corridor to India (another growing oil consumer at that time and now as well) lays between northwestern Indonesia and Cambodia, a fact which just may explain Henry Kissinger's otherwise inexplicable decision during the Vietnam war to bomb neutral Cambodia back into the stone age (sending the country from thence into
the nightmare of life under the Khmer Rouge).
Nightmare in Indonesia: The Roots of the Bush-Cheney's Oil Government
http://www.apfn.org/apfN/bush-cheney.htm
Allegations of the involvement of a former CIA officer in the foundation of Zapata
On January 8, 2007, newly released internal CIA documents revealed that Zapata had in fact emerged from Bush's collaboration with a covert CIA officer in the 1950s. According to a CIA internal memo dated November 29, 1975, Zapata Petroleum began in 1953 through Bush's joint efforts with Thomas J. Devine, a CIA staffer who had resigned his agency position that same year to go into private business, but who continued to work for the CIA under commercial cover. Devine would later accompany Bush to Vietnam in late 1967 as a "cleared and witting commercial asset" of the agency, acted as his informal foreign affairs advisor, and had a close relationship with him through 1975.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapata_Corporation
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| Sep 19 @ 4:56 PM |
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CowboyX
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WASNT THE VIETNAM WAR...A WAR AGAINST COMMUNISM?
Sure it was... and I suppose you believe that the Gulf Of Tonkin incident actually occurred as well.
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| Sep 19 @ 10:57 PM |
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musicianfriend
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Thank you Koray...Excellent posts..
It seems that you have some interest in the Vietnam war....
Posters...do you believe that Vang Pao has the right to try to get his country back?
I do....If I were him..I would want to go home as well..
I m sure he loves Laos as much as we love America...I feel for him..and his efforts....I do hope that someday..He is successful...and can go home...to the land of his fathers..
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Basically the war against communism is over.
Really? So then..what do you think all these protests are about here in America?
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Robo.....omg..your still #1 in the emotioncon department...
How does that man do that?
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| Sep 19 @ 11:10 PM |
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musicianfriend
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General MacArthur supplied weapons to Ho Chi Minh in order to drive out the French, not the Chinese, and the war was just a coverup for a massive oil survey conducted by Rockefeller's Standard Oil company. After the war was over, various worldwide companies won bids for drilling, but Standard was the only one that actually struck
Imagine that..Rockefeller.....
How come Im not surprised..
Since the internet..ALOT of information has come to light...for instance...ALL THE WARS...were for profit...
People like Rockefellers..Bushes..and others...supporting both sides of the conflict...
I read a book about how and why all these wars were started....it was all about money..
and we the people..are their chess pieces..its disgusting..
I have a book about all this..I will find it and post the title..It was the most awesome book ever.
You know how the Reps keep holding up Reagan..well...he wasnt so clean either..
There has been so much corruption in our political system..its hard to imagine..
I believe the best option for WE THE PEOPLE..is to vote out ALL entrenched incumbants..Council on foreign Relations...Trilateral Commission and any organization associated with the United Nations...a entity that supports communism and subjugation of the free peoples of the earth..
Example..Mitt Romney...looks good..sounds good...BUT....CFR member..
Fred Thompson....looks good..sounds good...BUT....CFR member..
I am an a Republican in Exile..for now....until my party cleans house..I will not go back..that means ALL CFR, TLC, UNITED NATIONS peoples are eradicated and ousted...
The same needs to go for the Democrat party..
both parties are seething with corrput politicians that do not have US IN THEIR BEST INTEREST..but their GLOBAL pursuits...AT OUR EXPENSE..
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| Sep 19 @ 11:17 PM |
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Jankia
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Really? So then..what do you think all these protests are about here in America? Protesting
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| Sep 20 @ 5:28 AM |
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Koray
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Thank you Koray...Excellent posts..
It seems that you have some interest in the Vietnam war....
just as a very small part of my studies ( International Politics and Modern History )
the crap the media fed us all makes my blood boil , and boys gave their lives
for money while being lied .
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