| Sep 24 @ 3:45 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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I've being hearing people whispering it for quite awhile that a revolution is coming and the election seems to have exacerbated it.
On today's news, 2 events that are quite worrisome....
#1 the murdered census worker found in rural KY hanging with the word "Fed" on his chest (I seriously doubt all citizens will be compliant with this census, many are looking at the government the same way some families look at their strange-acting, not to be trusted, uncle...Sam).
#2 the protest, that is now going on in Pittsburgh, PA protesting the G 20 Summit being hosted there today and tomorrow. Tear gas has already been fired at the crowd. The President just arrived.
My gut feeling is that a greater part of the population is fed up and is like a hornet's nest with the government serving as the poking stick. I think it's pretty obvious what will happen next.....
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| Sep 24 @ 5:02 PM |
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eastham
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Two different philosophical groups at work here. The protesters at the G20 summit are anti-globalizations lefties and the suspected killer of the census worker is a right-wing nutcase. It begs credulity that the two groups would get together to foment revolution.
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| Sep 24 @ 5:02 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I find the fact that the news of the census taker's "apparent homicide" took more than a week to come out, rather interesting...
When Ron Paul was a candidate for president, the supporting slogan called for revolution...
In 2007 and 2008, there were lots of whispers that Bush would not want to give up his leadership and would call off the elections and declare martial law.
Currently there is talk of this bogus swine flu 'pandemic' -- for which the term had to be redefined to describe a disease which spreads rapidly instead of one which causes many deaths. Around the globe, the declaration of the pandemic by the WHO shifts power to the UN and here in the US, there are whispers that it will trigger martial law. There are rumors about ID bracelets with RFIDs and rumors about nanochips being part of the injection...
Labeling of incidents as 'domestic terror' while our country has a current 'War on Terror' is a declaration of war against this country's citizens. The assassinations in the 60's were not labeled as 'domestic terrorism'. Using that term and seeking to apply it to large groups of Americans is deliberately incendiary IMO. Why is the media trying to manipulate the emotions of Americans by use of that term?
...and then there is the government's perpetual attack on the 2nd amendment -- what many people think is the last defense against a totalitarian government....
...and is this healthcare just a backdoor way of getting a national ID?
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| Sep 24 @ 5:23 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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eastham, I didn't mean 09/24/09 was going to be the first day of any revolution that may or may not happen..... 
lacy, good post 
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| Sep 24 @ 5:54 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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with all due respect....
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do the math.....I doubt the people ..let's say.....in New York or... Los Angeles will be joining your revolution....
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| Sep 24 @ 5:56 PM |
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arieann
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My gut feeling is that a greater part of the population is fed up and is like a hornet's nest with the government serving as the poking stick.
That statement goes for democratics and republicans. And the news networks. Think about, while we are all at work or at the park, dont we usually get along with people.Of course there are assholes out there, but basically, we all get along. Then when you go home and turn on the news, we are pissed off at others.
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| Sep 24 @ 6:20 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I doubt the people ..let's say.....in New York...
Depends on which people you are talking about I guess...
It's Patrick Henry Revolution Time
Till the Revolution Comes
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| Sep 24 @ 6:41 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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will be joining your revolution
GH, you sure assume a lot don't you??? Of course you know what they say about asses........ 
(said with all "due respect"....
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| Sep 24 @ 9:41 PM |
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newlife2006
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Who knows ...maybe "two-states solution" ( one for Democrats and the other for Republicans ) is not the worst case scenario , after all....  Though, as the events in the Middle East teach us - this solution doesn't really stop violence... 
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| Sep 24 @ 10:05 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Who knows ...maybe "two-states solution" ( one for Democrats and the other for Republicans ) is not the worst case scenario , after all....
I don't think the division in this country is along party lines.
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| Sep 24 @ 10:13 PM |
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Jankia
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Nope,not until this countries people come up with someone who will be for the people.
A revolution needs a leader that will put America back in this continent.
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| Sep 25 @ 2:00 AM |
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Say_Yes
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In a word, no. The lunatic fringe will be with us always (both sides of the aisle), but a revolution? Not hardly.
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| Sep 25 @ 2:29 AM |
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SensualGemini
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In a word, no. The lunatic fringe will be with us always (both sides of the aisle), but a revolution? Not hardly.
...They called the Vietnam protesters lunatics, communists, anti-American, etc., yet the numbers were growing exponentially and would have continued to grow.
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..."Anti-globalization lefties," "right wing nutcases," and about 50 other groups, including Illegal aliens can make strange bedfellows when the common enemy is government for a variety of reasons; even if they are unrelated.
...Conservatively, there are well over a 100 million disgruntled American citizens and who knows how many millions of Illegals.
...For a peaceful revolution, all it takes is a few million to not pay their taxes, to claim innocent for traffic violations and demand a trial with a public defender, to cause enough peaceful demonstrations that the liberal media has to report, which will attract more disgruntled to join and our judicial system will crash like a house of cards from being totally overwhelmed, while the executive branch's attempts to suppress will only create more to join and fight the oppression.
...Why would we be so smug to think, to conclude we will be the only country in the world that has never experienced an internal revolution?
...Sure, it is not only possible, but probable.
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| Sep 25 @ 2:39 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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We have experienced from an internal revolution. The south lost.
Is a revolution coming soon?
Not on the levels of what you fear it may.
For quite some time one nut group or another has tried their hand at stirring this bee hive.
All has failed.
For we the people have learned from the past.
The one revolution that shows any promise in today's society in my opinion, i the revolution against Corporate America. One just need to see the attacks against the beloved McDonald's. VIVA REVOLUTION! 
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| Sep 25 @ 2:57 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Burns: We have experienced from an internal revolution. The south lost.
...Although that was good, was it a revolution, or a peaceful secession that was met with defiance from those in control of national government?
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Burns: For we the people have learned from the past.
...Now, that one was foolish, as government may have learned a few tricks from the past, but each new generation seems to have to repeat the same things over and over.
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Burns: The one revolution that shows any promise in today's society in my opinion, i the revolution against Corporate America.
...One question and if you do away with capitalism, with corporate America, who is going to provide the employment that pays the taxes, that pays for all of the giveaways and social programs?
...Not that I care if they do away with all of the government programs, but just curious of what they are teaching in school today. After bantering a little with young Koray in the Vietnam thread, with no response, I am beginning to wonder why I am paying for college.
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| Sep 25 @ 3:10 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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Do away with? No, change the current, what's the term I'm looking for, its late and I am rather tired, but do away with today's world version of it, oh hell yes.
The first shot was fired on January 10, 1861. It was fired by the South Carolina on Morris Island. They fired on the Union Ship "Star of the West" as it attempted to reinforce Major Anderson at Fort Sumter, so no not a peaceful session. Peaceful is bloodless.
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| Sep 25 @ 3:39 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Burns: The first shot was fired on January 10, 1861. It was fired by the South Carolina on Morris Island. They fired on the Union Ship "Star of the West" as it attempted to reinforce Major Anderson at Fort Sumter, so no not a peaceful session. Peaceful is bloodless.
...Nobody was killed there, except during a 100 gun salute, some private was accidentally shot and died.
...Anderson was ironically pro-slavery, but loyal to the Union and occupying a South Carlina fort, while South Carolina tried to peacefully succeed from the Union and the North was sending more military to force them to stop.
...I don't think it could be termed as a Revolution, when you simply want to leave. A Revolution is when you want to stay, overthrow and create a new regime, a new government... if that makes any sense.
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Burns: Do away with? No, change the current, what's the term I'm looking for, its late and I am rather tired, but do away with today's world version of it, oh hell yes.
...Cool, then maybe later, as I am curious of how the anti-corporate, anti-capitalists plan on paying for anything, including government.
...Don't get me wrong, as I don't believe that monopolies are good, but without capitalism, there is no employment and thus, no employment taxes for the coffers.
...Even the anti-monopoly laws appear to be very discretionary and to the benefit of the certain capitalists. Rockefeller was a reasonably rich guy, but when his conglomerate of corporations were ordered to be broken up, the value of his holdings increased exponentially to make him the richest man in the world at the time.
...Guess everyone could go back to being farmers and barter for existence in eggs and corn or something.
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| Sep 25 @ 4:05 AM |
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Loren62
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Sorry....would have chimed in earlier on this post...but I've been busy singing songs of praise for our glorious leader! 
Is a Revolution coming soon? Well, that depends on what you'd classify as a Revolution...
If you are talking about a peaceful political Revolution where the people of this country wake the hell up and see the problem and take an active part to correct it....NO!
On the other hand...I think what you've seen in Kentucky with the census worker is just the beginning....I think this is what the future will bring but on a much more of a grand scale.
Now...the typical liberal moron in here will write this off as total nonsense...and that is fine...but with over 300 million people in this country and well over 200 million privately owned firearms...just how many armed disgusted citizens do you think it would take to reek havoc nationally...5000...10,000??
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| Sep 25 @ 4:30 AM |
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MotownManiax
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SG, don't wish too hard, because the "cure" might be much worse than the disease.
I have no problem with demonstrations at the G20, or any other get-together, as long as the demonstrators are orderly and don't instigate violence.
But anyone who promotes revolution in this country to fix domestic and global problems that many have contributed in creating by their own actions is rather silly.
Most of us live a materialistic, Western lifestyle. That means high consumption compared to the rest of the world. If you own a vehicle that burns carbon fuel, have homes made with and stocked with manufactured products that intensify waste and pollution (and that includes just about everything), and go to jobs that don't specifically help the environment, you are contributing in some way to problems we and future generations must face.
If you vote in every election, you don't have cause to say you're not represented. If you're so cynical to not vote at all, shame on you. It also hardly gives you the right to shout revolution when you never got involved to change the present process in the first place.
If the "fix" or "correction" of our present corrupt, counterproductive, evil (in the eyes of our brave "rescuers") government is to submit to mob rule and a 1,000 personal agendas and philosophies of people that prefer to take power by the gun instead of the ballot box, I'd take our present system hands down.
South Carolina tried to peacefully succeed from the Union and the North was sending more military to force them to stop.
Have to correct you on that one. Lincoln did all he could to avoid war with the South. People tend to forget South Carolina passed a vote to secede upon his "election", and six other Southern states seceded by the time he actually took office. In other words, he wasn't even a functioning president when many states rebelled against the Union, so he could have hardly been responsible for militarily "forcing" the issue?
He was under no obligation to unilaterally give up Fort Sumter to a secession government. He also had to resupply the fort sooner or later.
But he had no intention of attacking Charleston. He had made clear in repeated writings and speeches. His view was that if a war should start, let it be by Southern hands. They happily obliged.
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| Sep 25 @ 5:42 AM |
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lacyvsq
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If you vote in every election, you don't have cause to say you're not represented.
BS! Do you really think that just over 500 (mostly lawyers) who can't be bothered to even read most of the bills they 'enact' can represent the interests of more than 300 million? Certainly their retirement and medical insurance plans are not remotely representative!
...many states rebelled against the Union...
Semantics.... If a country wanted to leave the UN, would you term it a rebellion? Should a 'state' not have the right to alter 'state' agreements?
But he had no intention of attacking Charleston. He had made clear in repeated writings and speeches. His view was that if a war should start, let it be by Southern hands. They happily obliged.
Yeah! Just like FDR did not want to get into WWII until being attacked, so therefore set up Pearl Harbor.
[Edited on 9/25/2009 5:46 AM]
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