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SensualGemini
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...Obama, well known in Illinois for sitting on the board of the Joyce Foundation, one of the most anti-gun lobbyists in the nation, helped to forge restrictive laws into making Illinois well known for having some of the most ant-gun laws in the nation, as well as one of the few holdouts for the right to carry, still has not restricted mass murder by other means this week.
...Monday realized a family of five in a small town bludgeoned to death, while a sixth member, a three year old girl survives, with no suspects.
5 Illinois family members beaten to death
Gee Murders
...Guns don't kill people; people kill people and if intent, will always find a way to do so. The Gees never stood a chance, as they had no weapon in the house of a nation that is going to hell in a hand basket of corruption, immorality and escalating violent crime that is somehow kept off the books of everything but the emergency rooms.
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...But, the Nation's best had plenty of time to set up an idiot Muslim convert to just think he was going to blow up a Federal building in Springfield, Illinois.
...Come on guys, when you enable and entrap them, you cannot very take credit for stopping a terrorist attack; even if it does look good to the mindless. 
The criminal complaint said Finton, 29, converted to Islam while in prison on other charges. It said he idolized an American who allied with the Taliban, John Walker Lindh, drawing the attention of law enforcement authorities. After returning from a trip to Saudi Arabia in 2008, Finton told an individual, who turned out to be a law enforcement source, that he wanted to fight against Israelis in the Gaza Strip, according to the complaint. In early 2009, "it appeared that Finton was on the verge of taking action, so it was decided to proactively provide him with an opportunity for action that we controlled, rather than merely hoping to be able to find out and stop him," according to a government affidavit. He was introduced to an undercover FBI agent who began working with him to plot an attack, but Finton was repeatedly told he could walk away at any time, according to the Justice Department. Eventually, Finton picked the federal building in Springfield as the target and on Wednesday he parked a van he believed carried one ton of explosives at the location, the complaint said. Illinois man charged in terrorist plot...
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| Sep 27, 2009 @ 2:32 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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what is the point of this rant??
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| Sep 27, 2009 @ 3:44 PM |
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Angel54214
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There's been a few updates on the Gee Family case..The FBI believe it was someone that knew the family and state that the murderer is also injured. Supposively the murder weapon used was an ice pick. There's also information that there was a quarrel that day in the home with an outsider. They have suspected the possibility of the 16 year old daughter's boyfriend. They also have the adult daughter with her children in protective custody. She lives not far from her family.
According to Illinois gun laws, people are permitted to own and carry guns, but must have an FOID:
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_il.htm
The Gee Family updates with blog responses:
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/09/gee_family_of_five_found_slaug.php
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On the Muslim convert:
In early 2009, "it appeared that Finton was on the verge of taking action, so it was decided to proactively provide him with an opportunity for action that we controlled, rather than merely hoping to be able to find out and stop him," according to a government affidavit.
He was introduced to an undercover FBI agent who began working with him to plot an attack, but Finton was repeatedly told he could walk away at any time, according to the Justice Department. ^^^ This is very distubing! What is the government doing to protect us?? The FBI knew this guy was dangerous in early part of this year and was not taken in then!
[Edited on 9/27/2009 4:04 PM]
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| Sep 27, 2009 @ 3:57 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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what is the point of this rant??
"Liberal socialists are evil. Eeeee-vuuuuuullll!"
Like most rants we hear on here.
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| Sep 27, 2009 @ 4:13 PM |
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Angel54214
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CHICAGO — A man who idolized American born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh and a Jordanian national who frequented extremist Web sites are charged in unrelated cases after attempting to detonate what they thought were bombs outside an Illinois courthouse and a Texas skyscraper, federal officials said.
Federal officials said Thursday that the cases are not connected to each other or the major terrorism investigation under way in Colorado and New York.
Michael C. Finton, 29, who also went by the name Talib Islam, was arrested Wednesday in Springfield, Ill., after federal officials said he attempted to set off explosives in a van outside a federal courthouse in the Illinois capital.
Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, 19, was arrested Thursday in Dallas after federal officials said he placed what he believed to be a car bomb in a parking garage beneath the 60-story Fountain Place office tower.
In both cases, decoy devices were provided to the men by FBI agents posing as al-Qaida operatives. Both men are charged with trying to detonate a weapon of mass destruction and face up to life in prison if convicted. Finton also is charged with one count of attempting to murder federal officers or employees.
Finton appeared in federal court in Springfield on Thursday and said he was an unmarried, part-time cook at a fish and chicken restaurant in the central Illinois city of Decatur. He was ordered held pending action by a grand jury. A message was left at the office of his attorney, Robert Scherschlight, a federal defender.
Smadi, who federal prosecutors said lived and worked in the north central Texas town of Italy, was to appear in court Friday. Court documents did not list a defense attorney.
Finton had been closely monitored by federal agents including an FBI special officer who posed as a low-level al-Qaida operative in the months leading up to his arrest, according to a federal affidavit in his case. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/24/michael-finton-charged-by_n_298669.html
The FBI gave them decoys! How quaint!
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 12:50 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Angel: This is very distubing! What is the government doing to protect us?? The FBI knew this guy was dangerous in early part of this year and was not taken in then!
Hi Angel...
...We have due process, where a crime has to be committed, even if the FBI has to provide all the means and tools to do it with, then hand the guy a cell phone with the number to dial and when he does, he is arrested as if it was all his doing.
...In any other crime, the FBI would be called an accessory.
...To myself, that is nonsense and the guy will probably be sent to a nut house, or if a sharp lawyer, prove entrapment to an already mentally impaired citizen.
...Regardless, they have not got a conviction yet.
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Angel: According to Illinois gun laws, people are permitted to own and carry guns, but must have an FOID:
...In several places in Illinois, including Chicago, it is illegal to have a handgun (even for retired cops) and even after the Supreme Court ruling, one has to jump through some serious hoops.
...The FOID card forces one to prove they are not a criminal and be approved, before they can enact their already constitutional right, where many find it absurd to do so and then be on the government's watch list.
...Meanwhile, forget about Illinois endorsing the right to carry and protect.
...I came across this commentary....
Commentary: Murder in the worst degreeThere are some things we should never allow ourselves to get used to. Yes, ours is a violent society. We take ghastly acts, and, almost out of exhausted resignation, we categorize them with convenient labels. The mowing down of people walking along city streets? "Drive-by shootings," as if the carnage is part of some video game. The attacks, sometimes deadly, upon motorists on their way home? "Road rage," as if the brutal assaults are understandable, a traffic-related offense. We probably shouldn't be blamed for at times letting all of this wash over us. There is only so much cruelty that can be absorbed before a kind of numbness sets in. Yet there is a certain kind of crime we must not let ourselves become accustomed to. Because if we do, then we are truly adrift. Twice during the last week, reports of such crimes have been presented to us. For more... Murder in the worst degree
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GH: what is the point of this rant??
...It must be like Napa posted and to pull the Socialist Liberals into the light to be identified by their useless drivel. 
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 1:12 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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It must be like Napa posted
Partisanship.
Lots of people are killed without guns. Guns just make it easier to do, and from a distance, and without the need for skill. The news story has nothing to do with Obama, but you felt the need for bringing him into it.
It's all part of your never-ending rants about the "evils of liberal socialism." As if being a liberal was the same thing as being a socialist. As if standing up to the far right were the equivalent of being far left. As if a thousand other things.
You just can't turn it off, can you? Even when a thread was about funny stuff, you had to leap in there with partisan attacks. And when something has nothing to do with partisan politics, you have to MAKE it about it. Your entire happiness revolves around attacking those who disagree with you, I suppose.
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 1:31 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: Lots of people are killed without guns. Guns just make it easier to do, and from a distance, and without the need for skill. The news story has nothing to do with Obama, but you felt the need for bringing him into it.
...More drivel Napa? I am betting that you would do better with a baseball bat, than with a gun, as you do not have the skill, nor even the knowledge of how to load, nor where the safety even is... most are child proof now. 
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Napa: It's all part of your never-ending rants facts about the "evils of liberal socialism." As if being a liberal was the same thing as being a socialist. As if standing up to the far right were the equivalent of being far left. As if a thousand other things.
...A thousand other "things," still does indicate any facts... not yet.
...There are liberals and then there are socialist liberals and if you cannot tell the difference, then do let me know and I will explain it all to you once again.
...After all, you were misusing NeoCon for the past 2 years by claiming all on the extreme right were Neocons, yet JFK was one of the first and he damn certain was not on the far right.
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 6:28 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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(Immature personal attack deleted, as it is irrelevant to the topic)
(What happened to you? Two years ago, you were rational, civil, and mature. I didn't always agree with you, but at least you weren't a total asshole. Nowadays, you can't make a post without insulting someone...)
So guns do NOT make it easier to kill people? Then why all the fuss about gun restrictions?
The news story has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with someone who had to get within melee distance of his victims in order to kill them. Guns allow people to kill at distances of 30 feet or more. THAT was what Obama addressed.
Yes, people are going to kill other people. The idea of gun-control legislation is to make sure that, if someone decides to commit murder, they have to do it up-close and personal.
You've turned a family tragedy into an excuse to bash Obama, and by extension, everyone who isn't so far-right-wing as to reflexively hate Obama. Some people think he's just making rookie mistakes, not that he's unrelentingly, unflinchingly evil...
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 7:13 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: So guns do NOT make it easier to kill people? Then why all the fuss about gun restrictions?
...  ... you tell me, why government feels threatened by the people being armed?
...Honestly, when was the last time you ever fired a weapon? My post was a valid response, as you simply echo what someone told you about guns.
...Most that are for gun controls, have never been around one and presume they are all bad. That is like saying all cars are bad, because drivers make bad choices, or let's remove all knives from the world, because they are used to kill people.
...And if none of these arguments meet your criteria, then read the 2nd Amendment, which the Supreme Court just agreed with, that everyone has a right to own a gun and if pushed to the Supreme Court level, I don't think the ban for criminals that have done their time will hold up.
...Personally, I would rather be shot, than with an ice pick, or as Obama endorsed cousin Odinga did to the Christians that ran out of the church he and clan set on fire, to be hacked to death with machetes. And yes, I have been shot and cut.
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Napa: (What happened to you? Two years ago, you were rational, civil, and mature. I didn't always agree with you, but at least you weren't a total asshole. Nowadays, you can't make a post without insulting someone...)
...I am not a pacifist Napa and when you stop trolling to simply attack a poster, is when I will be civil as well. And yes, that includes the ignorance of calling right wing folks NeoCons. If there was ever such a person that represented a NeoCon today, it is Obama.
...Your opinion on the murder of the Gee family is about 2,000 miles away, as I knew the Dad and much like you, he was not prepared to protect his family and they paid the ultimate price.
...We live in a violent society and maybe without the realization from either being calloused or refusal to face the realization, violent acts have been verbally minimized, as the commentary I posted above explained
...You might feel helpless in preventing these activities, but don't support those that are intent on removing the protection that responsible people require to do so against an equal threat to their families and self.... and that especially includes Obama by his proven track record and now POTUS.
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 7:19 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Not everyone agrees with your revisionist definition of "NeoCon," SG.
neoconservative definition ? neo·con·ser·va·tive (-k?n s?r'v? tiv)
adjective
designating or of an intellectual, political movement that evolved in the late 1970s in reaction to liberal and leftist thought, advocating individualism (senses & ), traditional moral standards, anti-Communist foreign policy, etc.
noun
a neoconservative person Definition of NeoCon
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| Sep 28, 2009 @ 7:55 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Night: Not everyone agrees with your revisionist definition of "NeoCon," SG.
...That is obvious Night... for instance, there is you and Napa and ... well, you and Napa.
Neoconservatism... originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey.... NeoCon |
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