| Sep 29 @ 12:57 AM |
Trying to organize panic over swine flu vaccines? Why?
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southernlass
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I got the following in my email a bit ago. It seems designed to cause outright panic, as well as prevent people from getting the swine flu vaccine. I'm always suspicious of stuff like this but thought I would share it because this seems particularly irresponsible if the swine flu vaccine can actually prevent future deaths. Worded as this is though, it discourages getting the vaccine or future vaccines, which could be just as lethal.
Why would these people send this out among the populace randomly? Anyone have any thoughts?
The Voice of Global Health Freedom™
News, Alerts, and More Health Freedom Information
Action Items You Must Take to Protect Your Health Freedom
September 28, 2009
The latest on tomorrow's NY Vaccin Choice Rally
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=3605
The "GREAT CULLING"
Set to Begin:
1-2 Swine Flu Sucker Punch:
1. "Live Virus" Nasal Vaccine Starts Pandemic
2. Forced Squalene-Adjuvanted Vaccines End
Reproductive Capacity, Sicken, May Kill 90%
of Population
Special Message from General Bert:
Maj. Gen. Albert N. Stubblebine III (US Army, Ret.) Natural Solutions Foundation President
Dear Health Freedom Lover,
Natural Solutions Foundation has never had a more urgent message for you.
Forced Vaccination - of any type - is a disease of the Body Politic. Swine Flu Vaccination is a lethal one.
The H1N1 Swine Flu vaccines have been specifically prepared to cause wide-spread infertility and profound illness: You need to know this information AND you need to become a health advocate for yourself and your community NOW. We have little time.
Let's begin with the basics:
Sucker Punch 1:
Create the Pandemic
1. The first type of vaccine "ready|" for distribution is a Live Attenuated Influenza Virus (LAIV) vaccine. administered by the nasal route. LAIVs are particularly dangerous both to the person who takes them AND to those around them. These vaccines cause people to shed the virus to others and infect them. The virus is then able to reassort or mutate as the infected persons (who may be too young to have any idea what is happening) go about spreading the virus into a varied community of friends, neighbors, family members, playmates, people on the subway, anyone.
People like young children, pregnant mothers, people on immunosuppressive drugs and others are told that they should avoid the live virus, yet it will be disseminated into those very populations with no controls or protections since pregnant women, children, First Responders, health care professionals and people with chronic diseases will receive this "first wave" of LAIVs.
What does that mean in detail? Please click here, http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=3582, to read more.
Sucker Punch 2:
Cull the Population While You Kill the Next Generation
2. In addition to what we already know about the squalene adjuvant and its ability to cripple and kill through powerful auto immune mechanismswhen injected, there is another, deeply shocking reason that the amount of squalene and squalene derivitives (called MF59, AS01, AS02, AS03, AS04, MLP, etc.) to be used in the coming mass vaccination is so insanely high when just a few molecules in the injection can wreak lifeling havoc.
A patent was filed in 1998 for a vaccine which causes permanent infertility when injected. When combined, the materials which cause sterility are a highly active immune irritant (an adjuvant) like squalene in very high doses and a porcine (pig) glycoprotein. Put them together in an injection and not only do you have auto immune consequences like death, or for those who do not die, crippling rheumatoid arthritis, Lou Gehrig's Disease, destruction of the muscles, diabetes, disabling rashes, mental and neurological problems a-plenty, but you have a population of infertile men women and children.
Click here, http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=3592, to read more.
DISINFORMATION NOTE:
We are living through an information war, as well as a war to exterminate us. The Natural Solutions Foundation did not run the following story because we could not substantiate it and because the details did not hold together. We cannot promise that we will never make a mistake, but we can promise that we research what we tell you very, very carefully and you can rely on us for that.
Perhaps you've heard the story of the sailors on a US Navy ship who became terribly ill and, in some cases, died, after being injected with the Swine Flu Vaccine in April. It isn't true. In fact, it is a hoax.
Much of the wording of the story being circulated now as if it is current news (starting on September 24th) was stolen verbatim from a true CBS news story dated July 21st. The base true story was radically altered, with dramatic fictional elements added, and "rebranded" to make it appear it's happening now. It isn't. Here's the link to the widely circulated, but false story:
Navy ship docking in CA with onboard fatalities
http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1486&start=26
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| Sep 29 @ 12:58 AM |
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southernlass
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Push Back IS Working But We Are Far From Safe Yet
Together we have created a massive Push Back and, as a result, the official positions are changing.
Fifteen months ago (July 24, 25, 2008) HHS and DHS announced in identical statements that every man, woman and child in the US would be vaccinated, "starting with those who want it".
Today, Obama, Sebelius, Nepolitano and others say "vaccination will be voluntary". Of course, they have defined "Voluntary" to mean "Mandatory", but we have them on the run.
More than 50% of NYS health care workers do not want the Swine Flu shot! NY nurses are already being fired for refusing the seasonal flu vaccines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUe5acT1Ufs
After the Governor of New York issued his mandate for mandatory health care worker vacciations, we created such an uproar that today, Monday, September 28, the NY Secretary of Health is going to give an address "to calm the waters", on the day before our rally in the State Capital, Albany.
State Capitol Building, South Capitol Lawn, 10:00 AM Tuesday,
September 29th.
For more information on the rally, click here: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=3568
More than 2.25 Million Emails are on the desks of State and Federal Legislators telling them we will NOT be forced to take the Swine Flu vaccine or face incarceration/quarantine.
What can you, personally, do to increase that number?
Use this Action Item to alert and motivate everyone you can reach
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27275
Ask each person to fill it out once for each member of their household and pass it on as widely as possible. Share this Health Freedom Action eAlert with them.
Stop the Shot Legal Action
Natural Solutions Foundation has joined with Drs. Gary Null and Ted Koren to expose the rampant illegality of FDA's licensing of 4 vaccines for which no safety testing has been conducted AND the use of the LAIV nasal vaccine to create the pandemic. The papers will be submitted this week (as our research uncovered more and more that made the case stronger, we revised and perfected the papers multiple times - they will be entered this week and we will publish the brief.)
Some people have asked why we are only seeking to delay the vaccines. The reason is that the law is narrowly focused: we have carefully selected the strongest LEGAL argument to stop the deadly juggernaught which is rolling towards us. Following that victory (and, if the Court is honest, we can expect to win our stay) we will focus on stopping the pandemic vaccines all together. In a war you exploit winning strategies, taking every advantage you can find, take or make. In the aggregate, the name for that is "Victory".
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| Sep 29 @ 4:34 AM |
Trying to organize panic over swine flu vaccines? Why?
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SensualGemini
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...I don't know, but that last flu vaccine I had, I was in the military and it made me sick enough that I have abstained since.
...From a general rule of rushed vaccines, such as I vehemently argued against the recent HPV vaccine for 3 strains of about a 100, that was tested on but 2400 Indian women before our paid politicians were rushing to enforce as required by all girls, 9 years and up in prevention of cervical cancer, the resulting deaths and complications of the voluntary vaccination by parents leads to me stand on the sidelines and see the results before I rush to be vaccinated.
...I know plenty of vets that are having some very serious issues and all related to vaccines, I am concerned of the safety and cautious.
...Prior, I never had the time or the patience to listen to issues with vaccines, but after enough evidence mounts for heavy metals and autism, or the recent testing of vaccines showing 6% were contaminated with mycoplasma, while the DOD refuses to allow their military vaccines to be tested, as 4 out 5 had failed prior FDA tests for potency and contamination, I question anything that government does today.
...I think most of us can agree that our government is corrupt as hell and not above pushing a vaccine for profit. Am I paranoid? If so, very much less than the paranoia induced over a flu that thus far, has killed 1 in 10,000 people.
...Granted, if the statistics are correct and do realize that most of these deaths were in other countries, often with less than stellar health care, the average death of prior flues of recent years is about 1 in 1,000,000 or thus far, this strain is about 100 times more likely to end in death by a French study. Now, was the French study done by a biased vaccine manufacture, I don't know.
...In conclusion, I think I will wait a little while and see what the fallout is from those rushing to, just as those that rushed their children for the HPV vaccine and wished they hadn't.
...After all, since we are not yet on their attempts to impose substandard social health care, I feel that I can still obtain decent medical care if I should need it.
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| Sep 29 @ 6:37 AM |
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Loren62
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Anyone trying to force a vaccine into me is going to get shot! PERIOD!
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| Sep 29 @ 8:10 AM |
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eastham
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Why would these people send this out among the populace randomly?
The internet is full of both the good and the bad. How often do we receive preposterous emails from seemingly normal friends and colleagues.
Vaccination is one of our most effective tools against this or any other form of influenza. Certainly, not everyone can be vaccinated. Often individuals who are allergic to eggs cannot be vaccinated, because most flu vaccines are cultured in albumin. The public health benefit of vaccination against an airborne virus is to have a large enough population of vaccinated individuals to protect those who cannot be vaccinated.
Furthermore, some of the facts presented in the copied email don't bear up to scrutiny. For one, the vaccine is injectible. I haven't read any thing to the contrary.
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| Sep 29 @ 9:10 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Vaccination is one of our most effective tools against this or any other form of influenza.
Of course, it is also one of the least effective...because, just how many 'tools' do we have? Google the effectiveness of flu vaccination and see what the sites with actual studies say v those out to sell something (including government sites).
Why would these people send this out among the populace randomly? Anyone have any thoughts?
Because there is plenty of evidence that the US had a biological warfare program and created a multitude of viruses;
Because earlier in the year Baxter sent flu vaccine to East European countries that was contaminated 'accidentally' by live avian flu virus -- yet Baxter is a leading producer of the current vaccine with no explanation as to how the 'accident' occurred and what measures are in place to assure that it will not happen again. -- Oh...and this spring was not the first time that such an 'accident' happened...
Because there are no independent studies that can demonstrate any great effectiveness for vaccines -- so why this big push to get everyone vaccinated for this?
Because the government has power rather than service as its chief objective.
[Edited on 9/29/2009 9:30 AM]
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| Sep 29 @ 10:19 AM |
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eastham
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Of course, it is also one of the least effective...because, just how many 'tools' do we have? Google the effectiveness of flu vaccination and see what the sites with actual studies say v those out to sell something (including government sites).
I work in a cemetery with two entire "gardens" filled with folks who died in the Spanish flu epidemic. Typically, a garden, which is comprised on hundreds of plots, fills up in years. These filled in under six months.
Air borne flus are a dangerous public health issue.
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| Sep 29 @ 11:45 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Except, of course, if you don't believe in the germ theory. Then vaccinations are irrelevant.
It's a wonder we've been able to knock out so many viruses, given the level of distrust with which science is treated. I suppose, back in the golden years, people trusted scientists and doctors more. If not, we'd still have to deal with some of the crippling and deadly diseases of our parents and grandparents' time.
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| Sep 29 @ 12:07 PM |
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SimplyImp
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Well, if fear is a way to control the masses - then it is covered both ways.
Fear has been induced with the threat of the swine flu "pandemic". If you don't get the vaccine... the implication and threat is there.
Fear is also induced by others with the implication that if you DO get the vaccine.... who knows what has been put in it?
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| Sep 29 @ 12:08 PM |
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Josuha
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Here's the deal.
There is not enough vaccines for everyone.
Further 'force', being threatened is only going to cause resistance.
The first person who dies from the vaccine is going to cause an uproar.
Especially if it's a child.
There is not enough 'enforcers' to make the plan viable, especially with resistance.
Even if only 2% of the population refuses, that is over 6 million people.
There is a far greater percentage in reality.
So what is the use of 'fear'?
Intentionally wanting a confrontation or 'make an example'?
Making criminals of honest parents?
Fine them?
And what if they refuse the fine?
Arrest them?
This alone would cause an uproar and already has.
They are losing control and are attempting to use fear, as usual to gain back control due to economy, war and people becoming aware.
Fear is all they have.
As a side note:
If you read these these boards and the news, most of this was predicted by computer including stock market crash, natural disasters etc.
See here. (I'm not affilliated with the site or program.)
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/
Latest Computer Flu Pandemic Predictions (9/17). Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCbnu2y8X8Q
[Edited on 9/29/2009 12:14 PM]
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| Sep 29 @ 12:32 PM |
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Josuha
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Furthermore, some of the facts presented in the copied email don't bear up to scrutiny. For one, the vaccine is injectible. I haven't read any thing to the contrary.
I don't mean to sound blunt..
I don't care.
I don't care if the vaccine is nothing more than saline.
I don't trust them...period..end of story.
I'm not taking it and neither are my clan.
I don't care if you take it..go ahead..go for it.
Your no relative of mine.
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| Sep 29 @ 1:06 PM |
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RareQuestor
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As a side note:
If you read these these boards and the news, most of this was predicted by computer including stock market crash, natural disasters etc.
See here. (I'm not affilliated with the site or program.)
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/
< blink >
You are willing to trust a machine invented by scientists, but not the scientists themselves?
As Lewis Caroll put it, "curious and curiouser" 
Permit me to ask a question in order to clarify the issue: Would you be so cavalier about the vaccine if it was for a disease that was much more lethal than the flu (Ebola or the bubonic plague, for example)?
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| Sep 29 @ 1:24 PM |
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Josuha
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Permit me to ask a question in order to clarify the issue: Would you be so cavalier about the vaccine if it was for a disease that was much more lethal than the flu (Ebola or the bubonic plague, for example)?
We're not talking about Ebola.
We're talking about the flu.
I've had enough retoric.
You take it.
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| Sep 29 @ 2:39 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I work in a cemetery with two entire "gardens" filled with folks who died in the Spanish flu epidemic. Typically, a garden, which is comprised on hundreds of plots, fills up in years. These filled in under six months.
Medical and scientific experts now agree that bacteria, not influenza viruses, were the greatest cause of death during the 1918 flu pandemic.
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"The 1918 pandemic is considered to be - and clearly is - something unique, and it's widely understood to be the most lethal natural event that has occurred in recent human history," Brundage says.
But to reassess this conclusion, he and co-author Dennis Shanks, of the Australian Army Malaria Institute in Enoggera, Queensland, scoured literature and medical records from 1918 and 1919.
The more they investigated, the more bacteria emerged as the true killers, an idea now supported by most influenza experts.
For instance, had a super virus been responsible for most deaths, one might expect people to die fairly rapidly, or at least for most cases to follow a similar progression. However, Shanks and Brundage found that few people died within three days of showing symptoms, while most people lasted more than a week, some survived two - all hallmarks of pneumonia. New Scientist
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| Sep 29 @ 4:55 PM |
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eastham
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Fear has been induced with the threat of the swine flu "pandemic". If you don't get the vaccine... the implication and threat is there.
That threat is a reality here in New York. Two members of my department have already contracted N1H1 -- one is currently battling the flu. The one who recovered said he would prefer going 10 rounds with the heavyweight boxing champion than ever having it again. Dr. Sanjay Gupta of CNN, who is also recovering, has said the same thing.
While I have gotten the flu shot once in my life (no bad reaction, by the way), I definitely will be getting this vaccination. I have had pneumonia twice, and coughing up blood is not my idea of a good time, and work extensively with the public. My job at the cemetery will put me in contact with mourning families, who have spent goodness knows how many hours in public hospitals before sitting across the table from me.
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| Sep 29 @ 5:09 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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We're talking about the flu.
Tell that to the people of the late 1910s/early 1920s.
Viruses evolve. One year, the majority flu virus may only give people a fever. Five years later, the majority flu virus may wipe out 30% of the world's population.
With a large enough population of potential hosts (i.e., all those people who weren't inoculated), what could have been an easily-contained outbreak may quickly spread across the country.
Fear of government and distrust of science means we'll probably see such an epidemic soon enough.
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| Sep 29 @ 5:20 PM |
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SensualGemini
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RQ:Permit me to ask a question in order to clarify the issue: Would you be so cavalier about the vaccine if it was for a disease that was much more lethal than the flu (Ebola or the bubonic plague, for example)?
...If, if, if ...
...Having been around long enough to have witnessed a lot of siht in this world, having been lied to countless times by my government, and by those for profits at any cost that the "sky is falling, the sky is falling," as my prior post, I will wait and observe.
...If government wants to make this mandatory without a huge public backlash, the first thing they need to do, is to publicize every member of Congress, including everyone in the White House and the Supreme Court, including all of their immediate families getting this vaccination by independent nurses pulling from the public supply.
...No, I am not adamant that I will not, but rather I have never followed the herd mentality. It is not this virus that is the issue, but rather the bacterial infection(s) allowed to invade an otherwise depressed immune system and if you want to really be prepared, have a supply of antibiotics for both gram positive and gram negative bacterial infections.
...Nevertheless, if you take the vaccine and disappear from the forums a few months later, it could very well reinforce my decision to further abstain. 
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Lacy: Medical and scientific experts now agree that bacteria, not influenza viruses, were the greatest cause of death during the 1918 flu pandemic.
...That is truth, as the influenza virus depletes the immune system and allows bacterial infections to multiply; bacteria that we otherwise live and deal with everyday.
...Flu vaccines are modified each year to upgrade the new strain(s) of prior year by viral mutation that never stops. In fact, the flu vaccines of today contain all known prior strains, including the Spanish Influenza of 1918.
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| Sep 29 @ 5:34 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: Five years later, the majority flu virus may wipe out 30% of the world's population.
...May, may, may...
...30% or 2.1 Billion people. If so, there is RQ's population control that he has endorsed prior.
...Personally, I believe that many of these mutations are helped along by man's manipulations, as well as spread by other than natural means. Japan's Aum Shinrikyo, under the guise of a help mission to Africa, attempted to aquire Ebola (several strains) as a terrorist weapon and later carried out the sarin gas (who created this?) attack in the Tokyo subways.
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| Sep 29 @ 5:37 PM |
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Nightowl001
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In fact, the flu vaccines of today contain all known prior strains, including the Spanish Influenza of 1918. No. They don't. What does the seasonal influenza vaccine protect against?
Each year, the seasonal influenza vaccine contains three influenza viruses – one influenza A (H3N2) virus, one regular seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus (not the 2009 H1N1 virus), and one influenza B virus. The influenza viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine are selected each year based on (surveillance-based) forecasts about what viruses are most likely to cause illness in the coming season. Therefore, each year’s seasonal flu vaccine is designed to protect against the seasonal influenza viruses expected to cause disease during that influenza season. Selecting the viruses in the seasonal flu vaccine
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| Sep 29 @ 5:39 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Nature does quite well enough on its own. No need to ascribe malice or greed to something that is more likely to be the result of mutation.
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