| Oct 23 @ 7:58 PM |
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Jankia
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I just wanted to share this email I got today from Congressman Baldwin...
The House leadership continues to reconcile the three health care reform bills passed in committees and we are hoping to have a proposal before the full House the first week in November. Even with the ongoing, intensive work on health care reform, there was a great deal of legislative progress on the Hill this week and you will find more details below.
Meanwhile, at the White House, President Obama fulfilled another promise to our veterans by signing into law the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act. This legislation fundamentally reforms the way we fund health care for our veterans. Under this law, veterans' medical care will be funded a year in advance so the VA will have timely, sufficient ,and predictable funding from year to year. VA hospitals and clinics will have more time to budget, to recruit high-quality professionals, and to invest in new health care equipment.
And veterans will have better access to the doctors, nurses, and medical care they need, including specialized care for those suffering post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injuries.
With this fiscally responsible legislation, our veterans' health care will no longer be held hostage to the annual budget battles in Washington.
[Edited on 10/23/2009 8:12 PM]
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| Oct 23 @ 8:07 PM |
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arieann
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I felt the need to edit as well. The part you did not want posted. I will respect that. But you still have it up.
[Edited on 10/23/2009 8:19 PM]
[Edited on 10/23/2009 8:20 PM]
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| Oct 23 @ 8:15 PM |
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Jankia
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He sent you a "Dear Jon" letter
Actually Baldwin is a she type unit  ....but thanks..I didnt want that included in what I quoted and I still had time to edit that out.
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| Oct 23 @ 8:18 PM |
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arieann
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I am glad you were able to get it edited out. Have fun on the threads.
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| Oct 23 @ 10:52 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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Awesome. Salute.
Meanwhile, at the White House, President Obama fulfilled another promise 
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| Oct 24 @ 2:52 AM |
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twotall911
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yeah great now all they have to do is fire all the doctors and get people in the hosp that know what to do instead of issuing pills for everything
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| Oct 24 @ 6:52 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Meanwhile, at the White House, President Obama fulfilled another promise to our veterans by signing into law the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act. This legislation fundamentally reforms the way we fund health care for our veterans. Under this law, veterans' medical care will be funded a year in advance so the VA will have timely, sufficient ,and predictable funding from year to year. VA hospitals and clinics will have more time to budget, to recruit high-quality professionals, and to invest in new health care equipment.
And veterans will have better access to the doctors, nurses, and medical care they need, including specialized care for those suffering post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injuries.
With this fiscally responsible legislation, our veterans' health care will no longer be held hostage to the annual budget battles in Washington.
...Sorry Jon, but more BS, more smoke and mirrors from government.
...All this bill does, is cause the president to submit a budget for the following fiscal year, within 120 days at the end the fiscal year of 2011, 2012, 2013 to compare with various health care model predictions.
...With over 90% of congressional approval, Obama had no choice but to sign it, but as far as improving anything, it does nothing to improve health care.
...For instance, expand this war right now and any present projections for even fiscal year 2010, let alone 2011 are worthless. If the enemy changes tactics, such as starts using biological, all bets are off for the cost next month, let alone 2 years in advance.
...If these clowns don't want to pay for war, then don't start them.
...TwoTall has a valid point, where finding and monitoring competent help would be a good start and there is nothing in this bill that mandates anything, but provide a fiscal estimate of cost within 120 days of the beginning of the fiscal year, for the next year, which like right now, still goes through the channels for approval/disapproval and included in the budget... it just gives them more time to argue over it.
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| Oct 24 @ 3:04 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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LOL so anything good that Obama signs he was forced to sign?
Wow
Fascinating.
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| Oct 24 @ 7:55 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Burns: LOL so anything good that Obama signs he was forced to sign?
Wow
Fascinating.
...Give credit due, where it is due... if it is due. This bill, one that was similarly started in 2008, is simply the attempt to define a budget in advance by comparing to a $multimillion grant for software programs. It is a 3 year trial project for 2011, 2012 and 2013.
...It is whitewashed as doing something for Veterans, which it does nothing more than anything prior. Nevertheless, when over 90% of Congress approved, what did you expect Obama to do? I don't know if he agreed with it or not, but it was going through irregardless.
...Show us something that Obama has done on his own, is doing on his own and if positive, then of course he deserves the praise.
...So far, he has not done one damn thing he promised in his campaign and he is not getting a freebie for helping Veterans, when it is nothing more than a budget trial program; that was already his and Congress's responsibility to do.
...Does anyone ever read these bills, or just the BS headlines of smoke and mirrors?
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| Oct 24 @ 8:58 PM |
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Jankia
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 Wonder what the word would be if Obama refused to sign into law the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act.
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| Oct 24 @ 11:08 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Jankia: Wonder what the word would be if Obama refused to sign into law the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act.
...The bill was going to pass, as over 90% of Congress was on board.
...If Obama had vetoed and forced a 2/3 majority vote, which they more than had, Obama may have been forced to defend why and while he could have argued the facts, that he could not predict the budget cost needs almost 2 years in the future, that would then have to be cleared by the comptroller against the worthless trial module computer programs for predicted veteran health costs.
...Personally, I don't think there would be anything to defend, as the liberal media would not be touting as something great, while now, it is nothing but propaganda nonsense that does nothing more for Veterans, than prior.
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| Oct 25 @ 12:11 AM |
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Jankia
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Thats not what I wonder about SG.Its about what kind of fine talk about our President would we hear if this "propaganda nonsense" hadnt been used at all and he didnt sign the law that would have been passed anyway.
nothing in this bill that mandates anything Since this bill includes medical facility improvements,wouldnt that be a mandated portion of it?
twotall-yeah great now all they have to do is fire all the doctors and get people in the hosp that know what to do instead of issuing pills for everything Please inform this country of your findings after youve found better educated physicians than we allready have to provide our veterans with the best care possible.
Until then either use whats available or find another cure for depression,mental illness etc.
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| Oct 25 @ 12:36 AM |
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kjac
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Its about what kind of fine talk about our President would we hear if this "propaganda nonsense" hadnt been used at all and he didnt sign the law that would have been passed anyway.
Surely you're not suggesting that the people whining are doing so for political reasons?
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| Oct 25 @ 3:24 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Jankia: Thats not what I wonder about SG.Its about what kind of fine talk about our President would we hear if this "propaganda nonsense" hadnt been used at all and he didnt sign the law that would have been passed anyway.
...Obviously Jon, they are grasping at straws for something positive.
...I do apologize for raining on your parade, your initial post, but you know me well enough, that I tend to look for for the facts and not what the media is attempting to feed us. I remain perpetually skeptical, as nothing in politics happens by accident.
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Jankia: Please inform this country of your findings after youve found better educated physicians than we allready have to provide our veterans with the best care possible.
Until then either use whats available or find another cure for depression,mental illness etc.
...Like most medical facilities, VA hospitals vary in their quality of health care.
...The very best medical care is found in places like Mayo clinic; specifically their original in Rochester. Regardless, they are a non-participating provider in the Medicare Program and regular "social health care" does not have access without paying the difference.
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| Oct 25 @ 6:02 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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Wonder what the word would be if Obama refused to sign into law the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act. Really? It would be just as it was under Bush.
.Give credit due, where it is due... if it is due..This bill, one that was similarly started in 2008, is simply the attempt to define a budget in advance by comparing to a $multimillion grant for software programs. It is a 3 year trial project for 2011, 2012 and 2013.
Congress failed to approve a VA spending bill on time in 19 of the past 22 years.
President Barack Obama, as a senator in the last Congress, co-sponsored legislation to advance VA appropriations, and he supported the idea during the presidential campaign.
“First and foremost, the way our nation provides funding for VA health care must be reformed,” he said in an October 2008 letter to the president of the American Federation of Government Employees.
“My administration will recommend passage of advance appropriation legislation for the FY 2010 appropriations cycle, instead of yearly continuing resolutions that lead to delays in hiring and facility construction,” he wrote.
Didn't Bush veto or at least threaten to veto this? The man had no problem signing in program after program with NO plan to pay for them and spent 100s of billions in a NOT NEEDED war. But wouldn't take care of the solders he sent. Man, with all the bills that Bushy did veto, how in the hell did he run our debate up so high?
And how many years out of them 22 was congress controlled by Republicans or a complete split? It finally took a Democrat control of both house and congress to get it past.
Booo Democrats. This is just more socialize for you, ain't it. 
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| Oct 25 @ 7:01 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Burns: President Barack Obama, as a senator in the last Congress, co-sponsored legislation to advance VA appropriations,
...He did not sponsor any bill, but several others did. The first was from someone in Alaska, while each bill had about 80 or so co-sponsors.
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Burns: And how many years out of them 22 was congress controlled by Republicans or a complete split? It finally took a Democrat control of both house and congress to get it past.
...I don't know and I don't care, but Clinton was in there for 8 years and the budget estimate starts with the President.
...Yet, there is no way to define a valid VHA budget when wars are going on, will go on, will be expanded, etc. There is no end to it. If they cannot afford wars, then don't start the damn things, or don't start them without an exit in mind. Kick their azzes, come home and then a budget can be realized.
...And do realize, we are still paying for the Gulf War, where some 28,000 troops have died so far, that were exposed to Mycoplasma and other man made biological weapons used.
...Regardless, Congress is not to be praised for something that was already their responsibility to do and I don't care which party was in charge.
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Burns: Didn't Bush veto or at least threaten to veto this? The man had no problem signing in program after program with NO plan to pay for them and spent 100s of billions in a NOT NEEDED war. But wouldn't take care of the solders he sent.
...Bush was defiant in that a budget was worthless in time of war, as it limited funding to VHA. He wanted an open end to take care of whatever was needed to care for our troops, while the health care fiasco for many years did come to a head during his watch.
...You are right though, in that he or Rumsfeld gave 30,000 ceramic vests to the Turks, in hope of invading from the north, but they said no. Meantime, there were not enough vests for our troops and like many, I paid $2400 for one of my sons and sent three more with the older steel plates in them. Although we offered to armor the trucks for free, the Pentagon said no, as they had privately contracted shipping and that would add more weight.
...I have always been an advocate of bombing Saddam's private holdings back to the stone age, as he violated the no fly zone for 10 years, while shooting at our pilots patrolling. I was never an advocate of occupying an armed country and leaving it armed with about 1/3 of the troops it required. I always thought it was better to just go back and bomb his azz if he did not straighten up.
Burns: Man, with all the bills that Bushy did veto, how in the hell did he run our debate up so high?
...You are barking up the wrong tree, as we are a $100 Trillion in debt and Bush's watch was directly responsible for about $6 to $10 Trillion; depending on the actual cost of this war. I am no advocate of Bush, but he was just a small piece of this debt issue.
...The majority of our debt started with Roosevelt, then Johnson and Social Security to the General Fund and then it was a feeding frenzy to spend that $43 Trillion; nothing more than the greatest pyramid scam the world has known. The Carter administration removed Federal banking regulations and of course the Savings and Loans crisis that followed and the recent failure of Federal banking for the bailouts.
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Burns: Booo Democrats. This is just more socialize for you, ain't it.
...There is nothing socialized about it. After all, how many people actually serve in the military?
...It is nothing more than creating a budget that is volatile at best during a time of war, a year in advance to compare with the $Millions government spent on a computer model program to see how close they come.
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