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burnslikethesun
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Palin backs 3rd-party candidate in NY House race
By VALERIE BAUMAN, Associated Press Writer Valerie Bauman, Associated Press Writer – Fri Oct 23, 3:34 pm ET
ALBANY, N.Y. – Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has endorsed a third-party candidate over the GOP-backed contender in New York's congressional special election, saying her own party has abandoned its core values.
The former Alaska governor, who was Arizona Sen. John McCain's running-mate last year, said Thursday she was backing Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman over Republican Assemblywoman Dierdre Scozzafava in the 23rd Congressional District race.
Hoffman has been labeled a spoiler by some, but he's looking more like a contender lately, with support from prominent Republicans, including former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey and former presidential candidate Steve Forbes, who endorsed Hoffman on Friday.
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| Oct 24 @ 1:52 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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A quick check on Wiki says that thanks to all the support for the Conservative Party candidate (Hoffman), the Republican incumbent (Scozzafava) is now trailing the Democratic challenger (Owens).
It's surprising, though, to see a third-party candidate get such a large percent of the polling. I wonder if it will carry over into the election? I feel that a lot of conservatives will say "well, I may not like the Republicans, but I sure as heck don't want to be represented by a Democrat; I guess I'll vote R instead of C after all...."
(Though, huh. Looks like Scozzafava may have been thinking about switching party affiliation. So maybe a lot of conservatives DO consider her to be a "Republican in name only"?)
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| Oct 24 @ 2:37 AM |
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musicianfriend
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I think there will be more political parties in the future...as the Democrats and the Republican have failed America...they have allowed another nation to invade us....destroyed our economy....are allowing corporations to import people into this counry to take our jobs...and allowed corporations to export our jobs..they are right now trying to take away or freedoms...using fearmongering to get their way..their many false crisis's...the gov machine is out of control...
.its getting to much...they are so transparent now..they look stupid...Its insulting when they try another fearmongering crisis on us....thats so transparent..and they think were going to fall for it again..Its insulting and makes me angry with the gov..as you have noticed...
They arent doing their job...they all need to be fired..the Reps and the Dems at the top...
The time is ripe for a third party...
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| Oct 24 @ 2:40 AM |
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musicianfriend
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I think Palin is brilliant....she seems to be honest..and really care about her country..and its people..
It should make everyone wonder why she got out of the "politics as usual" crowd...I think she saw the hypocrisy of both parties..and opted out....
Palin was the one and only candidate NOT involved with the CFR..United Nations fearmongering liars...
That gives her a great big gold star in my books..
Anyone in the CFR is NOT for you welfare...NOT for the people of America..just look what they have done to us....and are still doing to us...
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| Oct 24 @ 3:03 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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MF, until such time as any third party can win an election, they'll never become anything other than spoilers. The only purpose of third parties is to sap votes away from the major party which most closely represents their policies.
Let me repeat that: The stronger a third party is, the less likely they are to be represented.
Major parties have fallen apart before. But never both at the same time. We might see one major party fall apart, and a plethora of ineffectual third parties rise from its ashes. And one or two elections of accomplishing nothing (other than handing the country over to their ideological opponents) will convince the various third parties to band together again into a major party, with all the compromises and special interests and backroom deals.
Nope. Unless BOTH parties collapse, AND the election system is changed from district plurality (i.e., each bloc of people is represented by one politician) to proportional representation (i.e., each LARGER bloc of people is represented by a group of politicians, split between the parties the voters chose), there's not much chance at all of third parties being other than perpetual jokes (when anyone remembers they exist, that is).
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| Oct 24 @ 11:35 AM |
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eastham
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It's surprising, though, to see a third-party candidate get such a large percent of the polling. I wonder if it will carry over into the election? I feel that a lot of conservatives will say "well, I may not like the Republicans, but I sure as heck don't want to be represented by a Democrat; I guess I'll vote R instead of C after all...."
New York politics are a different breed of cat. Al D'Amato won his first term, because Jacob Javits' presence on the Liberal Party's ballot (Javits was a liberal Republican -- yep they used to have those) siphoned off votes from Elizabeth Holtzman, the Democratic nominee.
Republican and Democratic candidates for local office rarely run on only one line. Rudy Guiliani, who was a Democrat in the 1970's, ran for mayor of New York as a Republican, but also on the Liberal Party ticket.
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| Oct 24 @ 11:47 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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I think Palin is brilliant....she seems to be honest..and really care about her country..and its people.
seems to me that she is...
(X) none of the above....
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| Oct 24 @ 2:59 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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I have to give MF credit. She's the only Republican to come out and play. Even if I disagree with 99% percent of her views and statement.
Funny thing happened on the way to facebook.
There are two groups I play in there. The Republican group and the Democrat group. And I noticed something.
While the Dem group has an open discussion, they Repukes have none. Hmmmm
The only third party I see is that may benefit the most of this, as I have said in the pass, is the Independents.
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| Oct 24 @ 8:05 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: It's surprising, though, to see a third-party candidate get such a large percent of the polling. I wonder if it will carry over into the election? I feel that a lot of conservatives will say "well, I may not like the Republicans, but I sure as heck don't want to be represented by a Democrat; I guess I'll vote R instead of C after all...."
...Eventually, an independent is going to break the two party political barrier and although your example only includes Republicans, there are Democrats thinking the same thing.
...Eventually, there is going to be a candidate come along that represents the middle 50-70% and will win.
...Personally, I think Palin is one of those potential independents, as she does not align with the far right or far left and if it had been a 3 way race between her, Obama or McCain, and depending on her running mate, I would have had to seriously consider her to shake up the entrenched system now in Congress.
...As a Mother, I am betting she can better balance a budget than any of the hogs we now have doing it.
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| Oct 24 @ 8:07 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Burns: I have to give MF credit. She's the only Republican to come out and play. Even if I disagree with 99% percent of her views and statement.
...Except she is not a Republican by choice and probably opts more for something in the conservative middle... a growing movement. After all, the only alternative is the growing socialist left.
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| Oct 24 @ 8:40 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Eventually, there is going to be a candidate come along that represents the middle 50-70% and will win.
Ah, but there's the rub: if someone DOES appeal to the middle 50-70% (and that's highly doubtful, but I won't argue it), they'll be courted by both major parties. They'll be given a choice of being a poorly-funded independent with little coverage and no name recognition, being attacked from both sides, or becoming one of the "good old boys."
Personally, I think Palin is one of those potential independents, as she does not align with the far right or far left
Palin aligns quite well with the far right, and is viewed by them as their poster child.
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| Oct 24 @ 8:41 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Except she is not a Republican by choice and probably opts more for something in the conservative middle... a growing movement. After all, the only alternative is the growing socialist left.
So much wrong in so few words...
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| Oct 24 @ 9:00 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: Ah, but there's the rub: if someone DOES appeal to the middle 50-70% (and that's highly doubtful, but I won't argue it), they'll be courted by both major parties. They'll be given a choice of being a poorly-funded independent with little coverage and no name recognition, being attacked from both sides, or becoming one of the "good old boys."
...The funding is an issue, has always been an issue, but Obama proved that one can step outside the "system" for support.
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Napa: Palin aligns quite well with the far right, and is viewed by them as their poster child.
...This aligns with your first quote of political courting, but there is a possibility that the right, let alone the far right is a bit delusional in their anticipation. If I were her, I would use that support to my fullest benefit before claiming independent, or other than Republican.
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Napa: So much wrong in so few words...
...That is because the far left keeps her on defense against their position, while if given a chance, she has spoken out many times against the Republican politicians.
...Just because someone does not align with the insisted right or left, does not indicate they are a proponent of the other and the point made concerning a large percentage that would welcome a candidate someplace in the middle.
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| Oct 24 @ 10:45 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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but Obama proved that one can step outside the "system" for support.
He got quite a bit of funding from traditional sources. Normal donors saw which way the wind was blowing.
If I were her, I would use that support to my fullest benefit before claiming independent, or other than Republican.
Prior to her entering the national stage, she actually was pretty well supported by both ends of the moderate majority. Once she got on the national stage, though, she completely attacked anyone who was even mildly left-wing. Enough statements have been made that any attempt by her to steer to the middle is pretty much doomed.
That is because the far left keeps her on defense against their position, while if given a chance, she has spoken out many times against the Republican politicians.
(1) No-one was pushing against her to make all her ridiculous statements.
(2) She's against the Republicans because she doesn't think they're conservative enough. She wants them to be even more right-wing than they currently are. She's not either Republican or Democrat, she's just "wacky fringie."
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| Oct 24 @ 11:02 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Napa: Enough statements have been made that any attempt by her to steer to the middle is pretty much doomed.
...I and millions of others disagree.
...After all, name one thing that Obama has done, that he promised to do and yet, the far left still worships his BS.
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Napa: She's against the Republicans because she doesn't think they're conservative enough.
...And she is right. Do you, or anyone else conclude that pissing away a $Trillion or so in worthless wars is conservative? Do you, or anyone else conclude that allowing 30 million or so illegals in this country is conservative and remains unchecked? ... etc.
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| Oct 25 @ 12:33 AM |
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And she is right. Do you, or anyone else conclude that pissing away a $Trillion or so in worthless wars is conservative?
Didn't Palin support pissing money away for that though?
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| Oct 25 @ 1:22 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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the far left still worships his BS.
Again, we're talking about the center. Palin can continue to appeal to the far right, her most ardent supporters, and while she's maintaining their zeal, she's also providing sound bites for any potential opponents.
Prior to her nomination, she actually attempted to be centrist. Once nominated, she went off the deep end. She's no longer an outsider. She's now a politician, through and through. She may not be "Beltway" yet, but she's well on her way.
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| Oct 25 @ 3:08 AM |
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SensualGemini
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kjac: Didn't Palin support pissing money away for that though?
...I did not realize that Palin was ever a member of Congress, nor do I ever remember her supporting the occupation, but rather supporting our troops to finish the job and come home.
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Napa: Again, we're talking about the center. Palin can continue to appeal to the far right, her most ardent supporters, and while she's maintaining their zeal, she's also providing sound bites for any potential opponents.
...Personally, I see it as a strategy, very similar to Democrat Kathleen Sebelius, with John Moore and Mark Parkinson, both prominent Republicans who switched sides as her running mates to pull off a landslide victory in a state with but 27% Democrats.
...I think she is a centrist.
...Sarah Palin's initiation into DC politics was a brutal education and she will not make that mistake again. Have no doubt, if she ever makes it into the White House, she will turn the entrenched political establishment upside down and I will vote for her... I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils as we have been doing, with the same ugly results.
...She has a new book coming out in November, that I am going to order. I read both of Obama's, while it was obvious that 99% of his supporters did not and will give some further insight to who she is, just as it did for Obama.
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| Oct 25 @ 8:31 AM |
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kjac
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I did not realize that Palin was ever a member of Congress, nor do I ever remember her supporting the occupation, but rather supporting our troops to finish the job and come home.
I hear they have pills for failing memory. But the fact is Palin did verbally attack anyone who disagreed with the war in any capacity. She also repeatedly attacked Obama for suggesting that the troops should come home.
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| Oct 25 @ 8:41 AM |
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SensualGemini
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kjac: I hear they have pills for failing memory. But the fact is Palin did verbally attack anyone who disagreed with the war in any capacity. She also repeatedly attacked Obama for suggesting that the troops should come home.
...Exactly what I said... finish the job and come home. I am not interested in quitting either, but rather provide the resources to kick their azzes and then come home, rather than another Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.
...Maybe they also have pills for comprehension? But yea, I could use something for memory as well... but it is always the stupid siht that I cannot recall for a moment or two.
...And we see how well Obama did with bringing the troops home, let alone finish this damn war, that he is still financing the enemy in Afghanistan, the Taliban through Pakistan.
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