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| Nov 6 @ 5:31 AM |
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lacyvsq
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My complaining about it should not bother you, no more than people doing it bothers me. So why do you care if I complain about it? If you believe I should not care what people think, why do you care what I think.
I am not bothered by your complaining. I am discussing what you consider an issue. I am bothered by sending more people to jail/prison for victimless crimes. I am generally opposed to putting more statutes on the books.
I care what you think because I can learn from others opinions. I learned a great deal about this subject from the articles you linked.
And as someone said, it is a mental illness. Are you suggesting we should not care about the mentally ill?
It is only a mental illness when it causes distress or impairs normal liffe. Obviously it does not do so for all who practice it.
You know, that man that raped and murdered all those women in Ohio should not bother me. I do not know him or those women. Should I not care?
There were people injured in that case. For the most part in zoophilia, there is no injury. I think concern should be for those injured.
But you are -- as I am -- free to be concerned...about whatever concerns. I would expect that you are posting this in a forum to get discussion on it. If you seek only to convince and persuade others to your view, you should be blogging.
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| Nov 6 @ 5:54 AM |
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arieann
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My point is that if it not hurting anyone -- including the ones (human and animal) indulging in it -- why does anyone care?
You ask me why I cared. I answered. I ask you why you cared, and you tell tell me you dont care and I should be blogging. If you dont care what I think, why do you try to get me to change my mind or defensive of what I post?
As for what you said here
Frankly I think the costs of broken families (divorce) and public education (with high school and college graduates incapable of reading comprehension and minimal writing skills) is far costlier than a small percentage of the population pleasuring and being pleasured by their pets.
How well do you think offspring of a human and animal will be able to get a college education. Should the government use more tax dollars to assist in learning ways to educate them as humans or should they be left in the barn as an animal?
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| Nov 6 @ 6:22 AM |
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lacyvsq
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I ask you why you cared, and you tell tell me you dont care and I should be blogging. If you dont care what I think, why do you try to get me to change my mind or defensive of what I post?
Read again what I posted. I said I do care -- about your opinion, about discussion, about learning new perspectives, about more statutes with victimless crimes... I don't care what one does with his pet -- so long as there is no injury.
How well do you think offspring of a human and animal will be able to get a college education. Should the government use more tax dollars to assist in learning ways to educate them as humans or should they be left in the barn as an animal?
I will concern myself with those issues when they actually become issues. Personally I feel parents and not government should be responsible for the education of children, so in my world, those questions would NEVER be issues -- even in the unlikely event of some sort of offspring between man and other animal.
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| Nov 6 @ 6:32 AM |
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Nightowl001
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How well do you think offspring of a human and animal will be able to get a college education. Should the government use more tax dollars to assist in learning ways to educate them as humans or should they be left in the barn as an animal? *sigh*
Occasionally, two very, very closely related genetic lines will produce an offspring, usually sterile. (Google "mule.")
Humans cannot interbreed with any other species of animal that we are aware of, even with our closest genetic relatives, the chimpanzees. It would be more productive to worry about what to do with hybrid human/extraterrestial offspring, which might actually stand a greater likelihood of happening, should extraterrestials ever chose to breed wtih humans.
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| Nov 6 @ 12:35 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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I was thinking the same thing Nightowl! Humans and animals CANNOT produce offspring together!
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| Nov 6 @ 12:40 PM |
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eastham
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I am not bothered by your complaining. I am discussing what you consider an issue. I am bothered by sending more people to jail/prison for victimless crimes. I am generally opposed to putting more statutes on the books.
My problem with this statement is that sexual abuse of animals is linked to sexual abuse of humans. Its like torturing animals is a precursor behavior for serial and spree killers.
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| Nov 6 @ 1:01 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Animal abuse is already criminal. Zoophiles are not lobbying for freedom to abuse animals. Most despise animal abuse as much or more than the average man on the street.
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| Nov 6 @ 5:12 PM |
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arieann
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I was thinking the same thing Nightowl! Humans and animals CANNOT produce offspring together!
I have heard that a sheep and human can reproduce offspring. My grandmother
(from her mother) told me of a sheep that had a half human baby. But, that was a story handed down, so I, personally, am not sure.Anyway, years ago, men could not have babies. Remember the man that had a baby? Here is a good link.
Senate passes animal-human hybrid research ban
See, I guess people are already trying to find ways for a human and an animal to reproduce. So, maybe a human and an animal cant reproduce now, but maybe in years to come.
Most despise animal abuse as much or more than the average man on the street.
Of course, they have a soft(or hard) spot for animals.And no respect for themselves.
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| Nov 7 @ 5:33 AM |
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SensualGemini
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...This is some sick siht, but alright... going along with some of the analogy, what if it could be proven that "animals," besides humans, actually enjoy sex and then, would it still be animal abuse?
...The fact is, they do and both genders do have the "parts" that cause this enjoyment.
...Now, if homosexuals, transgenders, etc., "cannot help themselves," then it is not a big stretch for a zoophile claiming same and actually making their animal partner happy... which if the animal partner of a human female is a male, would be 100% of the time and in no way could be considered abuse to the animal.
Two zoophiles... YouTube
...Just as sodomy and homosexuality, the only thing standing in the way, is social acceptance; whereas, in many parts of the "civilized" world, it is totally acceptable. I can see where Ann is coming from with the slow, but methodical decline of morality, as after all, the liberal chant is that "if it is not hurting anyone."
Zoophiles
[Edited on 11/7/2009 5:47 AM]
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| Nov 7 @ 8:15 AM |
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Nightowl001
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SG said:
...the liberal chant is that "if it is not hurting anyone." And what is wrong with the philosophy that, "If what I am doing hurts no one, it's no one else's freakin' business"? Here, I thought the libertarians would be entirely on board with the idea of the government or anybody else keeping their oversized probosci out of anyone else's private affairs.
The right really needs to get over this notion that the world is going to hell unless THEY'RE the ones in control. But on examination, that is all their philosophy amounts to.
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| Nov 7 @ 8:39 AM |
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lacyvsq
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And what is wrong with the philosophy that, "If what I am doing hurts no one, it's no one else's freakin' business"? Here, I thought the libertarians would be entirely on board with the idea of the government or anybody else keeping their oversized probosci out of anyone else's private affairs.
 I'm on board!
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| Nov 7 @ 9:44 AM |
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arieann
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Its no ones business until they catch diseases, then it seems everyone should do what they can to fight these diseases, even it its forced by using our taxes. Now if people want to screw each other, animals, I would be willing to except that its no ones business, but they should not expect people to get involved with what was considered personal business when they are given a life sentence with diseases they catch. Let the people of these morals find their own cure, not with tax money. After all, what they do is their business, as you put it. Let it be their business til the end. So, yes, all this "personal business" of sex does hurt others (who do not practice it) when they were the ones that were ignored and called names when trying to prevent it. If its going to start out as "you shouldn't care what someone does" to get a disease, Dont whine about people not caring when they get a disease. Thats why I stopped caring about people with HIV/AIDS and other STDS. I was told to many times not to care what a person did with their sex life, so I dont care about the outcome of their sex life. And that also includes the babies they create, I stopped caring about them. They were to many.
By the way lacy, I have done my best to respond to every post of yours. Why do you refuse to respond to some of mine like the people trying to create ways to make human/animal hybrids in response to your post of humans and animals cant reproduce.And neither did you Nightowl.
The right really needs to get over this notion that the world is going to hell
Ask an AIDS patient. I am sure they feel they are in hell, or a place like it. And to think it could have been prevented. But the liberals have the attitude "Let people do as they wish, its not hurting anyone". The thing is, it will. Preaching safe sex has not worked very well. Diseases are still on the rise.
I still agree with Gallows on this
and no sane person is going to say that it should be legalized... let alone want to have sex with an animal.
He is right, only a crazy person would support these acts.
[Edited on 11/7/2009 10:16 AM]
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| Nov 7 @ 10:29 AM |
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BandTMom
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I agree that this shows the decline of morality in our society. There was a slogan in the late 70's...."If it feels good, do it". This very much reminds me of that.
Sure, animals can be sexually stimulated. So can any "animal" and sometimes involuntary so. Just because they can be stimulated, does that give anyone the right to take advantage of them of their own needs. I say, "NO!"
What's next? People claiming they are genetically programed to have sex 50 times a day and must have it in public? Because they were "born this way", we must allow people to have sex on the street corners because it "feels good"?
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| Nov 7 @ 10:35 AM |
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lacyvsq
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He is right, only a crazy person would support these acts.
I don't support the acts, only the rights of others to choose the acts so long as there is no injury.
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As to human-animal hybrids, they have nothing to do with human sexual practices as far as I can see, but everything to do with freak science. I am opposed to genetic engineering.
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As far as public financing for...well most anything, but especially the development of HIV -- which was contracted by our government -- and then the treatments for it...yes, I am definitely opposed! You are right in that when careless lifestyles -- like massive intake of sucrose and fructose as well as risky sex -- result in injury, the costs for that injury should be borne by the people practicing the careless lifestyles, as well as the corporations/industries promoting the carelessness.
Those who do not indulge should not be held liable. It is all called responsibility. One should take responsibility for his own life and property (including children until they have been taught responsibility) and should not seek to seize authority over another's life and property, nor accept responsibility for another's choices.
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| Nov 7 @ 10:36 AM |
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arieann
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And the 2 zoophiles that were talking about how the animals wanted and liked it. How many rapist claim their victims wanted and liked it?
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| Nov 7 @ 10:48 AM |
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lacyvsq
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I agree that this shows the decline of morality in our society.
There is a subset of 'society' where this has been going on for millennia. We as a culture are obsessed with sex. Settling on zoophilia as a culprit for the decline of morality is closing ones eyes to the more prevalent decline in the abilities of the majority of society to practice responsibility and morality in general. Witness the high rate of divorce, marital infidelity, broken homes and blended families...
This condemnation of zoophilia appears to me to be people saying "Hey, look over there!" so that what is going on right here will not be so obvious. "They" are wrong, have loose morals, should be condemned, not "we"!
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| Nov 7 @ 10:53 AM |
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lacyvsq
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How many rapist[s] claim their victims wanted and liked it?
Probably not nearly so many as ordinary law-abiding men and women claim about their consenting partners. 
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| Nov 7 @ 11:08 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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talking about...slogans...  and focusing on insane people..
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"be all that you can be...."
hammer is right....religious freaks are insane.....
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| Nov 7 @ 11:19 AM |
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arieann
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which was contracted by our government
I had a feeling you would go there. Most liberals do. Did the government force people to have unprotected sex. Its out of hand because of sexual behavior. Not the government.
As to human-animal hybrids, they have nothing to do with human sexual practices as far as I can see,
Neither does artificially intimating women to have children for couples that want children. But if hybrids are created, the zoo people most likely will demand children to be created because they want a child with their animal of choice.
Those who do not indulge should not be held liable. It is all called responsibility. One should take responsibility for his own life and property (including children until they have been taught responsibility) and should not seek to seize authority over another's life and property, nor accept responsibility for another's choices.
Should not, I agree. But we are. And we are told
the rights of others to choose the acts so long as there is no injury. when we complain about what causes the problems our part of our tax money is paying. Their acts do cause us loss when we are forced to
accept responsibility for another's choices.
What's next? People claiming they are genetically programed to have sex 50 times a day and must have it in public? Because they were "born this way", we must allow people to have sex on the street corners because it "feels good"?
No, thats already come.
Boston Police backing down from crackdown on gay public sex in city parks.
Civil rights lawyers say that people engaging in sexual activity outdoors are not breaking the law as long as they are shielding themselves from public view. Bullcrap. Are they saying people cant go look at the flowers because people may be having sex in them. And if someone gets caught, obviously they were able to be seen, in public view.
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| Nov 7 @ 11:30 AM |
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lacyvsq
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I had a feeling you would ho there. Most liberals do. Did the government force people to have unprotected sex. Its out of hand because of sexual behavior. Not the government.
I don't ho anywhere...and I am not a liberal...and it is debatable whether AIDS is out of hand, but HIV would not even exist were it not for the government.
Their acts do cause us loss when we are forced to accept responsibility for another's choices
You can only be forced when you have abdicated your own responsibility.
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