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notsoplain
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What is the world coming too? A simple thread that belongs with WTF thread. In the next few days I hope more daylight will be shed on the person and a motive.
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| Nov 5 @ 11:39 PM |
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redhairNfreckles
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Nidal Hassan with a name like that, he's never been "one of their own" like the media is saying....
Ya, I know, that wasn't very political correct.......well, tough shit!
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| Nov 6 @ 5:04 AM |
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arieann
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I was thinking the same thing. When I heard his name, I was thinking somehow Islam will play a part in all this. Thats not politically correct of me either.
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| Nov 6 @ 7:20 AM |
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witchywoman
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. Ya, I know, that wasn't very political correct.......well, tough shit!
I agree 100%!
I was thinking the same thing. When I heard his name, I was thinking somehow Islam will play a part in all this. Thats not politically correct of me either.
I agee 100%
What IS this world coming to when people are more worried about being politically correct than just saying what they mean. I am tired of being politically correct. I too believe Islam has something to do with it
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| Nov 6 @ 9:04 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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That's what they want you to think. 
I wonder...if his name were John Smith...how would it be different?
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| Nov 6 @ 9:22 AM |
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lj450
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My best friend is stationed on Ft Hood. Luckily he was not involved in this incident.
Truly unbelievable.
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| Nov 6 @ 9:56 AM |
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lj450
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Please check your community flags today. They are supposed to be at half-mast. Post offices, schools, fire departments, etc. I find it highly disrespectful to see it waving at full mast during a time like this.
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| Nov 6 @ 11:16 AM |
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RareQuestor
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That's what they want you to think. I wonder...if his name were John Smith...how would it be different?
Or if his name was...Timothy McVeigh? Dylan Klebold? Eric Harris? John Russell? William Kreutzer? Charles Whitman? Patrick Henry Sherrill?
LipGlossQueen is right. Prejudice and bigotry just make the problem worse.
~Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
My condolences to all of the families and victims of this terrible tragedy! 
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| Nov 6 @ 11:29 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Politically incorrect...
We have the largest military post in the country. Most of the personnel have been deployed to war zones two or three times. The suicide rate is high. We have a psychologist whose prior performance was rated poor to minister to this large group of war-traumatized, suicidal men and women. WTF???
Our military industrial complex/defense department has been known to f*** with the lives and health of Americans without their knowledge or consent.
A full investigation of how this unstable man wound up as counselor here needs to be done. There is something wrong not only with this man, but with the system. The responsibility/liability for an on-the-job incident like this rests with the employer.
Shame on the media for making this about the man's possible religion or ethnicity. If those are the source of the man's problem, his employers should have been on top of the situation. People are so dumbed down they haven't a clue when they are being fed a bucket of shit. This is being slanted to create hatred and to divert responsibility.
It is extremely sad that the defense department cannot even defend its own on its own largest post. What a blow to morale for the survivors this must be. What a betrayal! 
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| Nov 6 @ 11:35 AM |
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redhairNfreckles
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I'm sick and damn tired of all the lip service given to the "political correctness" that has taken over this country's right to free speech. Sorry but yes, I do have an attitude if a horrendous crime is committed, especially against our military by a so-called religious madman!
Some of you seem to have forgotton about 9-11, I haven't, and never will!
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| Nov 6 @ 11:38 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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religious madman!
Sorry, but how do you know he was a "religious madman"? Maybe he was just a psychiatrist who had gone "crazy" due to PTSD from hearing so many horror stories? There hasn't been much research done about the effects hearing about the horrors of war has on the caretakers..
BTW - he was a member of the military, as well.
and, honey, I live an hour and 45 minutes away from New York City. You live down in North Carolina. My cousin was in 9/11 and lost his marriage because of his post traumatic stress. My friends know people who died. I think about 9/11 a lot. On that day my father was in Pennsylvania and I was worried he was near the field where the plane crashed. So...don't pull the "maybe you forgot about 9/11" crap with me.
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| Nov 6 @ 11:49 AM |
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lacyvsq
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9-11 -- precisely! ...where conjecture about bin Laden was being voiced before the any investigation -- even while the NORAD was standing down and our president was holding a book upside down and becoming confused about what he had seen on the TV prior to going into the classroom... Where media was reporting that building 7 had collapsed while it still stood smoldering in the background... Where Americans were manipulated to cede their freedoms for a security that is obviously not forthcoming!
If this horrendous crime was committed by a religious madman -- and I do not yet see the evidence that he is such -- that religious madman was sponsored and paid by our military!!!!!
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| Nov 6 @ 12:20 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Behind the news...
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| Nov 6 @ 12:36 PM |
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RareQuestor
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I'm sick and damn tired of all the lip service given to the "political correctness" that has taken over this country's right to free speech. Sorry but yes, I do have an attitude if a horrendous crime is committed, especially against our military by a so-called religious madman!
Some of you seem to have forgotton about 9-11, I haven't, and never will!
You missed the entire point. Hatred, bigotry and prejudice focused Nidal Hasan's anger and fear. That's why he attacked "infidels" instead of a mosque. If you allowed yourself to get sucked into the same trap, you help create the conditions that caused the problem. Nearly every mass murderer on record had a specific target in mind: Timothy McVeigh hated the government, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris hated their classmates, Patrick Sherril hated his boss and so forth. I understand your horror and fear, but we only make the problem worse when we resort to hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
Not many seemed to remember it, but October 2 was the third anniversary of the day when Charles Carl Roberts gunned down five Amish children in a schoolhouse near Nickel Mines in Pennsylvania. The Amish suffered the same horror and anguish that anyone would feel when their child is murdered. but they took a different approach and forgave the murderer.
As the father of a slain daughter explained, "Our forgiveness was not our words, it was what we did." Members of the community visited the gunman's widow at her home with food and flowers and hugged members of his family. There were a few words, but it was primarily their hugs, gifts, and mere presence – acts of grace – that communicated Amish forgiveness. Of the 75 people at the killer's burial, about half were Amish, including parents who had buried their own children a day or so before. Amish people also contributed to a fund for the shooter's family.
Why the Amish forgive
I do not doubt that they still feel grief and pain and anger---but they did not get sucked into the endless cycle of revenge and retaliation that devastates so much of the world.
I am not saying that you must forgive Nidal Hasan or turn the other cheek. I am not saying that we should do nothing; we clearly have a duty to make sure that this never happens again. What I am saying is don't allow your fear, grief and anger to lead you down the same road that transformed Nidal Hasan into a monster.
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| Nov 6 @ 12:48 PM |
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lacyvsq
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It is not politically incorrect to hate Muslim Arabs. You are playing into the hands of the political manipulators. And of course, we do not yet know that Hassan was a Muslim Arab.
Public domain information gleaned by several sources confirms that Hasan was single, with no children. He graduated from the notorious Virginia Tech, where he received his bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the American military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, MD, in 2001. In 2007, a 'Korean' gunman murdered a number of students at the Virginia Tech campus, which has a mind control centre at or very close to the campus. Both Fort Hood and Waco are long established mind control centres.
By 'mind control' in this context, read: MK-UKTRA-style Himmlerian demonism using personality splitting techniques to create operatives with 'alters' that can be manipulated remotely by means of 'triggers', in this case an OMEGA (killing) trigger that can be activated to procure a spectacle, such as occurred at Fort Hood on 5th November, usually for diversionary purposes to bamboozle the media, while something 'more important' goes on in parallel behind the scenes.
And what about the other two shooters?
Lieutenant Commander Cone mouthed for the eager press:
‘It’s been a terrible tragedy. It’s stunning. We are absolutely devastated. The shooter was killed. He was a soldier. We since then have apprehended two additional soldiers who are suspects. There were eyewitness accounts that there may have been more than one shooter’. both quotes from my link above
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| Nov 6 @ 12:58 PM |
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kjac
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I assumed when this happened people would use this tragedy to push political and religious based agendas.
You know, sometimes it doesn't make a person feel better to be right.
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| Nov 6 @ 1:06 PM |
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lacyvsq
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This is the government. Most assuredly there will be misinformation and disinformation. One will never know if s/he is "right" .
But kjac is right. There is little or nothing here about which any can feel good.
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| Nov 6 @ 1:16 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Let's see now. Maj. Hassan joined the military "right out of high school," according to some reports, and is now 39 years old and a psychiatrist. He hired a military lawyer and was trying to get out of being deployed overseas, and possibly out of the service altogether, after apparently at least 20 years' service. A man who, from all reports, is well respected by those he was treating, suddenly snaps and with two handguns, and with not only on-base military police but civilian police responding within 3 minutes, shoots over 40 people, many multiple times.
Now, holding two guns, one in each hand, firing... well, when one runs out, you have to do something with the other one in order to have a free hand to reload. We've all seen the action movies where the hero presses a switch and the weight of the clip drops it out of the handle of the semi-automatic weapon and they slam in another clip to resume shooting. But, there is that matter of having to have that free hand. Col. Ben Danner was our public affairs escort. When I called him Thursday, Danner told me the shooting happened at the Soldier Readiness Center that we had visited during our trip. The purpose of our visit was to learn how Fort Hood was helping soldiers cope with stress and mental health problems. It was a high priority for the commanders there.
I grabbed the tape and disks with the video from our trip and cued up the video of the center.
It was just as I remembered -- a low, brick building. There was one main entrance. A sergeant/nurse was directing traffic as people constantly moved in and out. Once inside, the space was about the size of a basketball court. And there were lines, lines of soldiers everywhere. The lines to our right were about half a dozen soldiers deep. Those folks were standing.
To the left, about 60 or so soldiers were waiting in another line. They got to sit in metal folding chairs. But as the line moved, they moved from chair to chair. I don't think any of them got to sit in the same chair more than 30 seconds. The place looked like the Department of Motor Vehicles at lunchtime on the last Friday of the month. Only everybody was in Army camouflage fatigues.
Beyond those lines were cubicles, each one with a least one line leading into it.
CNN - Inside Fort Hood
When a gunman opened fire in a McDonald's with a semi-automatic rifle and stopped to reload, I could understand how a group of terrified civilians were too scared or slow to think about rushing him when he was out of ammo. Standing in a "basketball court" sized room with probably well over 100 combat-ready soon-to-be-deployed soldiers... well, how the hell did he have time to reload? Probably more than once.  This slightly pudgy-looking, almost 40-year-old psychiatrist is apparently better with a handgun(s) than Martin Riggs (see Lethal Weapon).
I'm not even going to ask why civilian police, armed, were allowed onto a federal military reservation and given authority to shoot, within 3 minutes of the call. Fort Hood Sgt. Kimberly Munley was outside directing traffic before she and her partner responded within three minutes of reports that shots had been fired at the sprawling U.S. Army base Thursday afternoon, according to Lt. Gen. Robert Cone. Heroic civilian officer
"Sniff.... sniff....?" Sumpin' stinks about this whole scenario. NSP was right.. this belongs in the WTF thread.
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| Nov 6 @ 1:17 PM |
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Jankia
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Please check your community flags today. Thanks for the reminder LJ.  Mine wasnt.
Glad your buddy wasnt hurt.
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| Nov 6 @ 1:33 PM |
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Josuha
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I wonder...if his name were John Smith...how would it be different?
Maybe..but John Smith was'nt yelling "Allahu Akbar!" while he was opening up on unarmed personnel.
Or am I missing something here?
"Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. "
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting;_ylt=AvIL.yXAIriuEomQOAGL.4.WwvIE;_ylu=X3oDMTNhMHRsZDJzBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTA2L3VzX2ZvcnRfaG9vZF9zaG9vdGluZwRjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzIEcG9zAzIEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawNuZWlnaGJvcmZvcnQ-
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