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SweetNapaGuy
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for I will never let someone like you define me
But you're perfectly willing to define every other Christian. Who made you the ultimate judge of what is and isn't Christianity? When you're trying to claim that Christians are persecuted, you accept anyone who calls themselves a Christian. But if someone does any wrong, or if they're a liberal Christian, then suddenly "they don't matter, because they're not Christians."
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 5:49 AM |
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If a Christian had gone on a shooting rampage (and it happens all too often; entire criminal organizations are just FILLED with Christians...), the first thing that leaps to peoples' minds isn't "oh, those Christians, they're dangerous and evil and should be excluded." Nope. Other motives are brought up.
Well, most are not killing because they are Christians, to eliminate another religion or to preserve Christianity.Muslims mostly to kill to do that. And when Hasan was yelling a religious term, what are we to assume?
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 6:04 AM |
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Well, most are not killing because they are Christians, to eliminate another religion or to preserve Christianity
"Christians" have killed more people, in the name of their "God", in recorded history then any other religion.
Double standard and hypocrite much?
Muslims mostly to kill to do that. WHAT A CROCK OF SH!T.
Back this up or it is just another one of your off the wall opinions.
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 6:19 AM |
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arieann
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Well, I do not know about history (which you did not back up) but as of today, Christian nations do not do it as much as muslims. As a matter of fact, Muslims nations are still doing it today. Id a women was going to be sent to prision for naming a stuffed animal Mohammad, what do you think they would do to someone that bashed Islam in that same county.
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 8:10 AM |
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Whose side are you on anyway? Are you even an American at all?
I am on the right side of justice. I believe that people should pay the price for any crimes they commit.
Yes, I am an American who believes that we should not condemn an entire race, religion or country because of what one person or a small minority does.
I do not condemn all christians because of what a few radicals and I do not believe we should try to inspire hate and anger against something until the facts are in.
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 8:57 AM |
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musicianfriend
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[napa]But you're perfectly willing to define every other Christian. Who made you the ultimate judge of what is and isn't Christianity? When you're trying to claim that Christians are persecuted, you accept anyone who calls themselves a Christian. But if someone does any wrong, or if they're a liberal Christian, then suddenly "they don't matter, because they're not Christians."
OMG..what drivel is this pile of garbage....are you serious? Your such a freaking liar...
I have NEVER done what you have accused me of...never...this is coming from your very delusional mind...
Liberalism is a mental disorder....your so confused...
If I call someone a liberal...how is it that you feel Im talking about religion?
When I say godless liberals...did I say your name...
The truth is this....many of the liberals that have destroyed this nation..IN FACT ARE GODLESS...thats a pure fact..They have replaced God..with science...
You dont know this?
will this kindergarten court ever quit..
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 9:01 AM |
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musicianfriend
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[napa]If a Christian had gone on a shooting rampage (and it happens all too often; entire criminal organizations are just FILLED with Christians...), the first thing that leaps to peoples' minds isn't "oh, those Christians, they're dangerous and evil and should be excluded." Nope. Other motives are brought up.
AGAIN...I ASK...tell me of these criminal organizations just filled with Christians..
Again..you have avoided the question....why? Because you are lying...telling lies about innocent people.
Name me just one of these supposed organizations just filled with Christians..
slanderer..
This kind of crap makes you look pathetic. Full of hate...false accuser....child like.
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 9:40 AM |
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musicianfriend
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 9:42 AM |
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musicianfriend
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]burns]Christians" have killed more people, in the name of their "God", in recorded history then any other religion.
Double standard and hypocrite much?
Another pathetic lie...
Prove what you have said here..PROVE IT!
You say this..but never are able to prove this crap..
If your talking the Inquisition...remember this..the Muslims attacked the Catholic...UNPROVOKED....and they got their butts kicked...they started it...what would you expect people to do..
Back up your lies burns.
Muslims mostly to kill to do that.
[burns]WHAT A CROCK OF SH!T.
Back this up or it is just another one of your off the wall opinions
I guess you dont read the news..
The president of the Sudan , Pres. Bashir, has slaughtered millions in a jihad against Christian, non-belivers and moderate muslims in suday...State sponsored terrorism by their gov....which should wake us up to the fact that too much power in the hands of gov. is a very very dangerous thing...SHRINK GOV .... be safe..
Try Sudan....Darfour..for instance..where they went in and murdered all they could...They cut the arms off of the mothers so they cant nurture their children..
They cut arms and legs off of men and laughed while the victims torso wiggled around and bled to death....
Disgusting humans...human debris...murdering and maiming innocent people..
They have done this crap all through history...Peaceful? Hardly...
Now I have proven what you ask...
Now its your turn to prove what I have asked....
You libs never prove anything...because you never can...you just make up stuff..
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 9:44 AM |
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musicianfriend
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CHECK THIS OUT...
We would be grateful for your prayers for a situation unfolding in Nigeria concerning the safety of a young female Christian convert. Farida, age 15, converted to Christianity in December 2006 from a strong Muslim family. At the time she was married to a soldier who immediately divorced her. On returning to the family home her parents urged her to renounce her faith and return to Islam. When she refused she was driven from the house for several weeks. Her family later asked her to return but the pressure to reconvert remained strong.
One day, shortly after this, her mother asked her to boil water hot enough to remove flesh from a chicken. Instead of using this for cooking her mother asked Farida to choose between her faith or being burnt with the water. When Farida chose her faith her mother threw the water onto her causing injury to her upper torso and third degree burns to her arm.
Since this time she has been in hiding, sheltered by contacts within the church. She remains under great pressure and has, in the last week been tracked down by people whose motivations are suspicious. On top of all this, at the time of her attack, Farida was pregnant and has today given birth to a baby girl.
http://www.cswusa.com/Reports%20Pages/Reports-Nigeria.htm#Prayer_for_Nigerian_Christian_Convert_at_Risk
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Heres another..
What's Sudanese slavery like? One 11-year-old Christian boy told me about his first days in captivity: "I was told to be a Muslim several times, and I refused, which is why they cut off my finger."
Twelve-year-old Alokor Ngor Deng was taken as a slave in 1993. She has not seen her mother since the slave raiders sold the two to different masters. Thirteen-year-old Akon was seized by Sudanese military while in her village five years ago. She was gang-raped by six government soldiers, and witnessed seven executions before being sold to a Sudanese Arab.
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CHRISTIAN SOLIDARITY WORLDWIDE
Heres another....Christian persecusion by Islamics
We are asking for urgent prayer for Christians in northern and central Nigeria.
Over the weekend at least nine Christians were killed, churches were set on fire and businesses and homes owned by non-Muslims were destroyed by Muslim youths in the Tundun Wada area of Kano State following unspecified allegations that Christians had blasphemed the prophet Mohammed.
(They teach their children to hate.)
According to Christian sources on the ground, not a single Christian church, house or business has been left undamaged. Furthermore, an unknown number of people were injured and/or displaced during the violence. In a worrying development, the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) has received reports indicating that in an attempt to disguise the true extent of the violence and injuries the authorities in Tundun Wada have evacuated Christians and other non-Muslims from the area into neighboring Bauchi State, where victims are said to be receiving shelter and treatment.
Tensions also continue in the Gwoza area of Borno State in the north east of Nigeria where Christians are once again facing imminent violence from the Al Sunna Wal Jamma group.
Also known as the “Taliban”, remaining members of Al Sunna Wal Jamma fled into the Cameroon hills in 2004 after a resounding defeat by the Nigerian Armed Forces. Recent events indicate either that it has regrouped, or that it has been reformed by people sympathetic to its aims and objectives.
Is it any wonder that they claim to be the largest religion on the earth..which by the way is untrue..Christianity is....They murder anyone who wont convert....and the moderate muslims..are controlled by them..due to the possiblity of being murdered if they dont go along..
And that....is the danger we face here in America..some may be peaceful..but when the Shite hits the fan...I can assure you..they are NOT going to be on your side..
Its Survival of the fittest..the smartest ...the wisest...
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 9:48 AM |
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musicianfriend
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I cant find in history anywhere where Christians ever did this kind of crap equal to what I have just posted..
You wont be able to..thats why you talk talk talk..but never do the walk walk walk...Thats called lying...deceitful...slanders..
Since you libs say we have done such terrible things......PROVE IT!
Like I just did for you...
Prove your accusations.....if you can.. 
And forget Hitler..I have already proven your lies there..so we dont need to rehash that dead horse..
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 11:10 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Yes, yes, yes. All genocide that occurs in the world is because of Islam. Not because of megalomania, racial hatred, or other causes. Yes, we understand your thinking.  
What made you so twisted? Your hatred of the unknown is without bounds...
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 4:06 PM |
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arieann
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That means he cant find one either.
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SweetNapaGuy
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That means he cant find one either.
Yugoslavia ring a bell...?
But they weren't Christian. After all, they were Greek Orthodox.
Apartheid in South Africa. Deception-induced biological genocide in Africa. Native tribes in the Amazon jungle being decimated by Christians.
Et cetera.
The atrocities in Africa owe more to tribal wars that predate Islam than to Islam itself...
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 4:52 PM |
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arieann
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What the hell are you talking about?
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SweetNapaGuy
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I am providing modern examples of Christian genocides.
Yugoslavia was dominated by the Serbs (Greek Orthodox Christians). When it fragmented, the Serbs waged holy war against the Bosnians (European Muslims) and Croatians (Roman Catholics).
War criminals were brought to trial at The Hague for the genocides attempted against their neighbors.
And surely you're old enough to remember apartheid...? It wasn't all THAT long ago.
And the Christian charities are spreading lies about contraceptives, putting religious dogma over the lives of entire generations. Many regions of Africa are not only losing their adults, but their children as well, as AIDS spreads through their population. But Heaven forbid (literally, it seems) that they tell the Africans "if you put a rubber on your ding-dong, you reduce your chances of getting a disease."
It may not be as blatant as the supposedly sectarian violence of central Africa (which, you should notice, all too often involves TRIBE AGAINST TRIBE, rather than RELIGION AGAINST RELIGION), but it's out there. Other regions are just a hundred years or so behind us. (It was only 30 years ago, after all, that we stopped trying to subjugate southeast Asia in the name of corporate profits...)
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 5:22 PM |
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Blondino
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This happens on a daily basis in African Christian communities ....
Witch Burning by Christians all over Africa
Killing Children in the Name of Jesus
witch burning has been around far longer on a daily basis , just does not receive any press coverage ..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/witch-hunt-africas-hidden-war-on-women-1642907.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_afri.htm
This time in Nigeria, where Pentecostal ministers who identify children as witches cause them to be tortured and killed by their own parents. Long excerpt below the fold:
AT 10, Jeremiah Victor Usuk appears stoic. Deep in him, he not only sheds tears but also yearns for fantasies every other child his age enjoys with gusto. By a stroke of ill-luck, that part of early childhood has eluded him, and maybe for ever; he has been tagged a witch.
AS he sat on a white plastic chair inside the administrative office of the Child's Right Rehabilitation Networks (CRARN), Jeremiah Victor Usuk, 10, remains eternally grateful to God for bringing him back from the jaws of death.
Born into a family of four, Jeremiah experienced some slight form of princely treatment as the only male child of the home. But all that became history soon after one Prophetess Grace Ben Peter of the City of Grace Mission in Eket, Akwa Ibom State allegedly brandished him a child witch and the prime cause of unpleasant happenings in his family.
Pronto, the Afaha Ukwa, Eket-born lad was bathed with gasoline and set on fire by his father sometime in March last year. It took the intervention of neighbours to save Jeremiah from untimely death. But he will have to live with the scars on his head, down to shoulder and beyond for the rest of his life.
reaction of Pentecostl Churches in the West ?????????
Let's see how loudly and strongly Pentecostal churches in the West react to this violence against innocent children. Let's see how "pro-life" and "pro-child" the Christian Reich really are.
This is an example of the barbarity regularly excused in the name of Christianity.
It is every bit as bad than the barbarity regularly excused in the name of Islam.
Funny then that it provokes not one tenth of the outrage.
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 5:26 PM |
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Blondino
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for those who want proof of Christian abuse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUJSME0TORw&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y2U3S9h4Lg&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nH8ZJbJ9lY&feature=player_embedded
witch burning has been around far longer on a daily basis , just does not receive any press coverage ..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/witch-hunt-africas-hidden-war-on-women-1642907.html
For decades, fundamentalist evangelical churches have sprung up throughout Africa. Some are affiliated with American congregations, while others are a bit more free form; all claim belief in Jesus. Many of them of share a common hysterical belief in "witchcraft."
In Akwa Ibom State, the center of the Nigerian child witch hysteria, the State Governor, Chief Godswill Akpabio, lamented
The church will torture children and some of the churches will pretend to use oil to try and remove witchcraft from a child. So far we have we have 165 children some of them are not up to 9 months old who have been thrown away by their parents because the church said those children will bring them misfortune.
The Governor has taken a firm stance, declaring
The churches are busy deceiving people in many aspects including avoiding deaths. We have to do something to re-strengthen the Child Right Law. We must fight against the abuse of children and ensure proper education for them.
here is church service
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZVVbGEOoCM&feature=player_embedded
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 5:42 PM |
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The president of the Sudan , Pres. Bashir, has slaughtered millions in a jihad against Christian, non-belivers and moderate muslims in suday...orso wiggled around and bled to death....
Disgusting humans...human debris...murdering and maiming innocent people..
They have done this crap all through history...Peaceful? Hardly...
Now I have proven what you ask...
Now its your turn to prove what I have asked....
You libs never prove anything...because you never can...you just make up stuff
eh no not the case
in August of this year I met Emmanule Jal ex child soldier from Sudan
he has written a book " War Child " and is now an international Rap Artist for Peace and an Ambassoador for Amnesty International ( for which I am an activist )
Jal’s journey has been a test of patience and a lesson of acceptance. I was lucky enought to meet him and ask him questions ... he said this and much more
Ceasefire was a chance to practice forgiving the Northern people as well as a chance to exercise working with Muslims,” Jal said. “Now I became more open with Muslims because I realized that the war in Sudan wasn’t about Muslims and Christians. Religion is what they used as a tool to oppress people.”
The album was a huge hit, especially in Sudan. The reason for his success? “It’s because I mentioned the truth,” Jal said. “The things that I’ve seen are what I was talking about,” he said, and people could relate to what he was saying.
He also promotes education, citing ignorance as another obstacle to peace.
“Education is very important. When you are educated, you’re being taught so many things that you can use to make choices and build your life.” With this in mind, Jal plans to fund construction of a school in his hometown of Leer in honor of McCune, and he is fasting to help raise the necessary funding. “I'm not eating breakfast or lunch until I raise $300,000 to build a school in Sudan. All the meals that I skip [money saved] are used to buy bricks for the school. It costs $3 a brick.”
Ultimately, Jal wants his music to offer an alternative to violence, and to inspire hope.
if you beleive what you said about Sudan being about religion then think again ....
it was about manipulation and oil .... you need to inform yourself
Read more: http://www.america.gov/st/democracy-english/2009/March/20090304175753gcirofo0.9383356.html#ixzz0WyEWP3fH
I didn't know what was the war for. But one thing I knew was an image that I saw that stuck in my head. When I went to the training camp I say, "I want to kill as many Muslims, and as many Arabs, as possible." The training wasn't easy. But that was the driving force. Because I wanted to revenge for my family. I wanted to revenge for my village.
Luckily now things have changed because I came to discover the truth, What was actually killing us wasn't the Muslims, wasn't the Arabs. It was somebody sitting somewhere manipulating the system, and using religion to get what they want to get out of us. Which is the oil, the diamond, the gold and the land. So realizing the truth give me a position to choose, should I continue to hate, or let it go?
So I happened to forgive. Now I sing music with the Muslims. I dance with them. I even had a movie out called "War Child," funded by Muslim people. So that pain has gone out. But my story is huge. So I'm just going to go into a different step now. Which is easier for me. I'm going to give you poem called "Forced to Sin." Which is from my album "War Child." I talk about my story. One of the journey that I tread when I was tempted to eat my friend because we had no food and we were like around 400. And only 16 people survived that journey. So I hope you're going to hear this
http://dotsub.com/view/23afd0b6-1aac-4e18-866b-
f153e0b88918/viewTranscript/eng
This man had a profund effect on me .... he has been through hell and now campaigns for peace -
War Child The Movie
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| Nov 15, 2009 @ 5:51 PM |
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Lies behind Darfur
by Omar Al-Ramlaw*
The Darfur War has been described as the worst conflict in the world today - and yet despite intensive media coverage, many aspects of the conflict are kept in the dark because of the propaganda battle that runs in tandem with the war on the ground. The view from there offers different perspectives. The West’s present concern over Darfur in southern Sudan is not genuine concern over genocide against the peoples in that poorest of poor part of a forsaken section of Africa. No: "It’s the oil, stupid."
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Darfur ‘Genocide’ Lies Unravelling
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security-council/index-of-countries-on-the-security-council-agenda/sudan/47952.html
American Evangelicals Play Role In Uganda Effort To ‘Wipe Out’ Gays
In March, American anti-gay activists traveled to Uganda for a conference that pledged to “wipe out” homosexuality. Seven months later, a draconian bill has been introduced that pledges to make good on this threat. The “Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009” is so severe that it is designed to shred the spirit and suffocate the soul of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Ugandans. If it passes, Uganda will become a predator state that actively hunts down GLBT people to destroy them.
http://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2009/10/4397/
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