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Muslims don't even respect their own constitution
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Lovely1368
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11955289/
Just goes to show the BIG difference between muslims and christians when in this century muslims would still try to put someone to death just for converting, against their OWN constitution.
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| Mar 22, 2006 @ 10:43 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I guess there is just no end to pointless ignorance.
It's a different culture.
It's horrible, but it's the way some countries are. Some societies just are not like America. I'm not making excuses for the killing of innocent people, but please do not be ethnocentric. That's one thing that just really, really gets me going.
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| Mar 22, 2006 @ 8:18 PM |
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suzieq0808
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There's a Muslim constitution?! There's a Christian constitution?!
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| Mar 22, 2006 @ 11:28 PM |
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WickedWench
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someone to death just for converting
Short memory.
Who was burning witches at the stake? Why?
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 6:43 AM |
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FeliciVagano
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ethnocentrism, the feeling that one's group has a mode of living, values, and patterns of adaptation that are superior to those of other groups. It is coupled with a generalized contempt for members of other groups. Ethnocentrism may manifest itself in attitudes of superiority or sometimes hostility. Violence, discrimination, proselytizing, and verbal aggressiveness are other means whereby ethnocentrism may be expressed.
ok..... 
Tell me where it is written that being appalled by this action of the current government, might be construed as ethnocentric? We sent our young men there to fight (and die fighting) terrorism, ousted an "oppressive" government, and the new one does this??
Abdul Rahman, 41, has been charged with rejecting Islam, a crime under this country’s Islamic laws.....If convicted, he could be executed....Authorities have barred attempts by the AP to see Rahman and he is not believed to have a lawyer.
....The case is believed to be the first of its kind in Afghanistan and highlights a struggle between religious conservatives and reformists over what shape Islam should take there four years after the ouster of the fundamentalist Taliban regime.....Afghanistan’s constitution is based on Shariah law, which is interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects Islam
be sentenced to death.
The state-sponsored Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission has called for Rahman to be punished, arguing he clearly violated Islamic law.....“For 30 years, we have fought religious wars in this country and there is no way we are going to allow an Afghan to insult us by becoming Christian,” said Mohammed Jan, 38, who lives opposite Rahman’s father, Abdul Manan, in Kabul. “This has brought so much shame.”
Police arrested him last month after discovering him in possession of a Bible during questioning over a dispute for custody of his two daughters. Prosecutors have offered to drop the charges if Rahman converts back to Islam, but he has refused.
new verse...' I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die' Rag"
And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for
don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop is ??IRAN??
And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates
ain't no time to wonder why, whoopee we're all gonna die
Same ole same ole 
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 9:17 AM |
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WickedWench
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Felici
Excellent posts!!!..I'm impressed
The year is 2006. And it's still going on "In the name of....", who's ever name it might be. Whether people were burned at the stake because society was "peeking" on mold or not can't possibly cover allllllllll of it. And it was Christians. Behaving like Muslims. But Muslims are bad and Christians are good. 
And it's one, two, three
Who are we fighting for,
Don't tell me
I don't give a damn.
Each has just as many "bad" as they do "good".
Suppose it just depends on which side of the fence you want to sit on that day
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 9:32 AM |
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Greystone1
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If there is a God, He obviously believes in Free Will. Unfortunately, His followers regardless of religion, believe in Force.
Non-defensive force is the root of all evil.
[Edited on 3/23/2006 10:40 AM]
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 10:26 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Felici......
I think the poster is being ethnocentric.
I know what it means...thanks.
The new government is no longer our responsibility. We took out the old one, it's not our job anymore. Like it or not, we're not the world's police and we can't go around telling every country on Earth: "be like us...we do things the best way".
I don't agree with what was done, I do not condone it, at all. But it is a different culture, completely. Things are done differently.
And also, if you didn't know, the new constitution is based off Shari'a. Islamic Law.
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 11:14 AM |
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WickedWench
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we're not the world's police and we can't go around telling every country on Earth: "be like us...we do things the best way".
Right on LipGloss. 
Sadly you're likely to take some heat for having the courage to say that out loud in FRONT of
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 11:34 AM |
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hopeful_lady
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Neither does President Bush he called our Constitution .."its nothing but a piece of goddamm piece of paper". Just quoting his words. Now how many of us read that in the mainstream news that he said this? You see former President Nixon resigned over wiretapping, but this President mocks our Constitution and now the Government spies on the people freely.
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 11:37 AM |
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Lovely1368
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The new constitution, that they put into effect, calls for the right to freedom of religion.
"It describes Islam as the country's sacred religion but guarantees protection for other faiths."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3428935.stm
It should also be noted that this man did not recently convert, as he has been a christian for a very long time.
"I guess there is just no end to pointless ignorance."
caused by those over reacting to their personal feelings rather than accurately reading the post.
"That's one thing that just really, really gets me going."
I find it irritating as well.
"I think the poster is being ethnocentric."
As my mother would say, no you didn't think. You just assumed and ran with it. You completely missed the point that this country created their constitution, and still won't abide by their own laws.
[Edited on 3/23/2006 11:43 AM]
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 11:52 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I'm sorry, but I've heard from various sources that their constitution is based off of Shari'a law, which would make Islam the religion of the land.
i do think you are being ethnocentric. maybe that is an assumption to you. you said "look at the difference between christians and muslims"
this is not a muslim issue. it's a cultural issue.
i wonder how many times i've heard christians in this country complain that they want radio personalities and tv programs censored because they find them inappropriate? is that not against our constitution? I already know how my argument can be refuted:
1. The government is not calling for the censorship (it has, in the past...in this century, too)
2. There is a vast difference between someone being killed for converting to another religion and Christians bitching that they want Howard Stern off the air because they don't like that he talks about lesbians. There is.....but the point is, both are against the constitution.
I will admit I was wrong, I did not know that their country was not governed by Shari'a. I have heard this many, many times and from various people.
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| Mar 23, 2006 @ 12:26 PM |
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Lovely1368
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CONFUSION I think that is the biggest problem with all of this. They are even confused about their own constitution, as it IS based on shari law, but DOES have the wording regarding the freedom of religion. More confusion. I get a headache just trying to figure out all the different terms for all the different sects, and which are militant nuts and which are supposedly peaceful yada yada. Makes my head spin.
Kinda like...
"i do think you are being ethnocentric. maybe that is an assumption to you."
Uh, I am the OP, check your first post. And uh,
" you said "look at the difference between christians and muslims"
I don't think I did. More confusion (and they're coming to take me away hehe haha hoho, to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time.)
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 8:57 AM |
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tezra
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The only way the confusion will end is if they all start telling the truth, as if that would EVER happen. I have seen so many posts regarding the way that they twist their own "holy" text to suit them, the whole religion is sounding like one big hypocrisy with its only real goal being bloodlust.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 10:14 PM |
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sealacamp
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Those that want to get going on this issue please please open your eyes and your brain before speaking. It is not about ethnic differences or national differences or even religious differences, although there is an argument to be made there as well. Recently, in Iran, it was documented by their own news service that a young woman got the death penalty for defending herself against a gang of rapists. It is against the Islamic law for a woman to kill a man for any reason. So she accidentally killed this man when he charged her and impaled himself on the knife she was using to defend herself and her friend against this gang of rapists. Now what sort of ridiculous cultural difference case could be made to support such an insane rule where men can essentially do what ever they want to against a woman and she does not even have the right to defend herself because she might hurt or kill the man. I tell you all that is not a cultural issue but it is a civilization issue. That sort of thinking should never have existed on this earth and just because it is here now does not mean that it should be or that it is ok, "just because it is a different culture." Please grow up people that want to excuse such behavior and edicts. The world will be much worse off it those people are allowed to have their way. Of course if that happens all non muslims will be dead any way so maybe it really does not matter. Or does it?
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:11 PM |
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MotownManiax
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As if the obvious needs to be stated for some people.
We took out the Taliban in Afghanistan because it was the training ground for Al Qaeda and guiding force behind what happened on 9-11, and assorted terrorist acts even "before" that. Anything less would be like the U.S. “forgiving” Japan for Pearl Harbor, and basically ignoring a physical act of war.
After the fall of the Taliban there was a political vacuum in Afghanistan, just like we’re seeing in Iraq. We are trying to bring representative, democratic government to a country where the concept is alien, but we are definitely NOT trying to reshape their culture “in America’s image”, as the current situation outlined in this thread has demonstrated.
Afghanistan is still deeply rooted in Islamic law and tradition. The key is moderation, and to bring that to a place that has been radicalized by years of Taliban domination will take much time and extreme effort.
The alternative is to hand power back over to the very radicals that want to see the US, and Western culture itself, destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth. This was the status quo “before” our intervention, and obviously totally unacceptable.
To cut and run without giving representative democracy a fair chance to take root -- which, btw, is the only viable alternative to avoid a Taliban-style resurrection -- will only postpone an even harsher American reaction in the future.
People against our involvement need to ask themselves some tough questions; ones with no easy answers. If we left Afghanistan tomorrow and basically told the fledging government to fend for itself, what do you think would happen? What message would “that” send to the rest of the world, and, more importantly, our enemies?
Here's what I think. They’d look at us as never being able to see a job through to the end, never able to stick things out. All that would do is embolden radical terrorism even more. They’d know they be able to get away with ANY outrage because at the end of the day America is a paper tiger, with no staying power.
Maybe this was acceptable in the past, but the stakes now are much too high.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:17 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I don't believe we should leave Afghanistan.
I feel we should let them try the government they've set up. If they do not want it, then we shouldn't get involved anymore. America has its own problems and we are not the world's police. Democracy is a great thing, but it's not our job to spread it around the world.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:24 PM |
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bryan2992
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why not? not by force granted,
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:29 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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because I just do not think it is our job, as one nation, to be the moral authority on issues like this. these nations are sovereign nations and should be allowed to decide how they wish to govern themselves. if the united states want to suggest democracy to their leaders, fine. but it is not our job to go to a country that is not currently run by a democracy and say "hey...we're the best, run yourselves like us!"
america has its own issues. we should be focusing on our borders and the fact that anybody can infiltrate them rather than thinking about what everybody else does.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:30 PM |
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bryan2992
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acctually I think were showing them how to fix the things we screwed up in our history so in the long run hopefully they will run things better than we have
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