| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:31 PM |
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MotownManiax
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I agree, LipGloss, but most people act disinterested, "Like, why do we need to care?".
Because the price of failure is too great. Making Afghanistan work should be of “vital” importance to every American because, frankly, the alternative is to let the radicals seize power again. The first time ended in 9-11.
Do you really want to even “think” about what would happen next time?
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:36 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Of course, we do not need that, BUT, the Taliban did not commit the terrorist attacks of 9/11. I personally feel there are two reasons we took out the Taliban:
1. They were harbouring Usama binLadin and his buddies, which did not prove to be of any use to us anyway.
2. It was convenient since we were failing to do anything about Al Qaeda and Bush needed something to make it look like we were doing a good job. I feel that because they just could not find Usama binLadin, and the Taliban were easily accessible and would defect easily, they set their sights on the Taliban.
I am all for the fact that the Taliban was taken out of power. I hated the Taliban before it was "cool" to hate the Taliban, or before anyone my age (10) knew Afghanistan was a place and not a dog or a blanket.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:39 PM |
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bryan2992
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umm the taliban were working with the al qaeda, or when we went into this that was the facts given to the last three presidents at any rate. and the al qaeda did train with the taliban.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:40 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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al qaeda is a separate organisation.
who trained them, bryan?
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:43 PM |
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bryan2992
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the taliban were training operative of the al qaeda on terrorist acts, bomb making, ect
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:47 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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actually....
1980s---The Soviet Union plans to take over the small nation of Afghanistan. America, still involved in the Cold War, sees an opportunity to make the Russians lose at something. America trains thousands of mujihideen (freedom fighters) in the art of war, and supplies them with weapons. Usama binLadin was one of these mujihideen. America had no idea that their plan would come back to bite them in the ass...but Usama binLadin began to get angry at the presence of American troops in Muslim holy cities Mecca and Medina. And you know the rest.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:51 PM |
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bryan2992
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so then the us needs to be there to clean up a mess it didnt intend to make gotcha
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:55 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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didn't i say i am not opposed to the U.S. being in Afghanistan????
i am opposed to the U.S. trying to start wars with nations that didn't do anything to us....like Syria. Remember when there was talk of that a few months ago, because a Syrian leader assassinated a Lebanese leader, we had to go in and change their government? There may be other reasons to want to deal with Syria, but certainly not that one.
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| Mar 24, 2006 @ 11:57 PM |
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bryan2992
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on that we agree, me personally I think we should be more worried about n korea than anything
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 12:00 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Someone needs to get a hold of Kim Jong Il right now. I'm not scared of him doing anything to the U.S....I think he's way too mentally incompetent to formulate any sort of plan like that, but the thought of a million or so people in his clutches scares the crap out of me.
I think he's saying he'll send a nuclear bomb our way just to feed his own ego and possibly to freak somebody out.
But either way, someone's got to get him because he is just a complete and total psycho.
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 12:02 AM |
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bryan2992
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agreed agreed, the problem is even if he doesnt send a nuke our way he either A) has the ability to send one to somebody or B) will have it soon
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 12:05 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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that's true and that's why we should probably be focusing on getting his ass rather than looking at the middle east and saying "which country should we turn into a democracy now???"
...notice it is never the Saudis.
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 12:31 AM |
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JesterDrawers
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Muslims don't even respect their own constitution
It's clear, then, that we simply need to ship them mass quantities of Ex-Lax.....that should help them with their constitution.
On a more serious note:
MO - VERY well thought out and well presented post! 
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 3:43 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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As if the obvious needs to be stated for some people.
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On a more serious note:
MO - VERY well thought out and well presented post! 
Garbage in...garbage out..
We took out the Taliban in Afghanistan because it was the training ground for Al Qaeda and guiding force behind what happened on 9-11, and assorted terrorist acts even "before" that.
This was the story to justify invading and overthrowing a government. ..A guiding force??
After the fall of the Taliban there was a political vacuum in Afghanistan, just like we’re seeing in Iraq. And The US was sucking the air out of the bottle to create this vacuum?
The alternative is to hand power back over to the very radicals that want to see the US, and Western culture itself, destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth. This was the status quo “before” our intervention, and obviously totally unacceptable.
Who said we had to do anything here??
To cut and run without giving representative democracy a fair chance to take root -- which, btw, is the only viable alternative to avoid a Taliban-style resurrection -- Who said that we should cut and run?
Make up your mind, Mo.. should we let it be, let them rule themselves how they want, or stick our noses in deeper??
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 4:19 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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why not? not by force granted
The above was stated by Brian, in reference to spreading democracy
 
YESSSS!!! Not by force being the key words, or what are we really spreading? We went to war in Vietnam to prevent the spread of Communism. Did we succeed? Not militarily, but certainly economically, just because Capitalism is a more effective system.
If we go to war with every country that we have an issue with, and defeat them all, what have we accomplished? Surely not the spread of democracy as much as the spread of an imperialistic presence; something we've been accused of, and prior to now at least, I don't think we were guilty of.
Do I believe that a government should have the right to dictate its citizens' religion? If it's a country based on religion, then I guess it should; if their constitution forbids it, then obviously not. Would I want to live in a country that did? Nope.
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 4:22 PM |
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dixiepixie
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To designate someone as racist and/or ethnocentric is extraordinarily damaging to an individuals name and reputation. Unfortunately, this is a tactic commonly used to intimidate those whose opinion differs from the name caller’s opinion. Those who are doing the name calling are not inside the heads of those whom they are slandering. They have no way of knowing whether the person is a racist or ethnocentric - or not. The name callers hoped for result is to silence all opinions that differ from theirs. It is a low blow and should be met with firm resistance from the individual being unjustifiably targeted with that label. Because of where we live and the sacrifices endured by the men and women in our military, the world over, we all have a right to express our opinions without fear of harm or intimidation. God bless America.
[Edited on 3/25/2006 6:05 PM]
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 4:42 PM |
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MotownManiax
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Felici, I see a lot of cutting and pasting of my remarks in order for you to snicker and condescend, but no real “answers” (a favorite trick for people that have none). Heck, I don’t even think you know the questions???
If I can rightly infer from your snide comments, you would have done nothing in Afghanistan after 9-11, correct?
Ok, Grand Strategist for the War Against Terrorism for the American People, since you seemingly purport to be smarter and way more insightful than us mere unsophisticated yahoos regarding Taliban politics (they were the “government” in Afghanistan that protected, harbored, and supported bin Laden’s main Al Qaeda base, which any five yr-old knows were the instigators of 9-11), what would YOU have done after 9-11?
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 5:13 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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The name callers hoped for result is to silence all opinions that differ from theirs
I do not believe you are inside my head so I do not believe you can make the call whether or not I was trying to silence the original poster. I was not. I was commenting on the fact that I thought her opinion was ethnocentric. She can express whatever opinion she wants, but if I do not agree with it, I will argue with it. I was not calling her ethnocentric as a person. I was calling her opinion ethnocentric. There is a difference between one's character and one's argument. I know our Legislative Branch of government does not usually make that distinction, but it is there.
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 5:16 PM |
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JesterDrawers
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Ok, Grand Strategist for the War Against Terrorism for the American People, since you seemingly purport to be smarter and way more insightful than us mere unsophisticated yahoos regarding Taliban politics (they were the “government” in Afghanistan that protected, harbored, and supported bin Laden’s main Al Qaeda base, which any five yr-old knows were the instigators of 9-11), what would YOU have done after 9-11?
It seems that the relentless critics are good at what they do - criticizing - but that they never have any alternative solutions to offer.
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| Mar 25, 2006 @ 5:28 PM |
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MotownManiax
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 I don't mind a good debate, Jester, but when all I get are posts filled with cut and pastes of my remarks and non sequiturs as answers instead of genuine rebuttals, I get a bit teed...lol.
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