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observed50
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Dave - who named them terrorists? Themselves? No...those who have access to guns through taxes named them terrorists. When the KKK was hiding amongst white southerners, prior to the 1970s, was that about Christians? Afterall, the Deep South is the Bible Belt? can't blame that terrorism on Muslims. And then switch to Oklahoma, Montana, Idaho and similar Militiamen sorts of arenas where white disenfranchised males practice taking out them government lackeys...pretty Christian areas...is it about 'them Christians?' I mean, hell...these groups invoke the name of their god in every one of their meetings, and the KKK, shoot... they went and used a cross to indicate how their righteousness will purify through fire, their communities of unwanted elements.
Some people know...and some don't. Secrecy is a big issue in many of these groups as it helps control the everyday threat of 'the State.' Talk with Muslims around the world, and you will hear how much they dislike being associaed with terrorism..yet how much they understand the growth of these groups amongst their young males and now in some cases, females. This is rooted in shame, crushed expectations, and several generations of humiliation at the hands of western powers supporting Israel. It is about unemployment rates among young males in excess of 25% and often hovering near 35-40%.
Everytime its tempting to think that one can 'blame' a current malaise/problem/issue on a group of people undifferentiated in any way other than big gross generalizations - in this case, Muslim - it is very informing to resist the urge and look first at one's own social identities and how they might have had the same behaviors or might yet. We are one species. What is wrong with one resides in the other, and has often found expression in the other at some time or place. Look close enough, and you will always see the other in yourself, because in fact, they are you. Gods might have different names, but each named god has been harnessed by each herd to slay the infidels, and run over the cliff together.  
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| May 15, 2006 @ 4:25 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I kind of thought this up yesterday, just randomly....I don't know if any of you have ever considered this.
before i begin, i am warning those of you who may wish to say it...i don't want to hear "WELL THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT IS!!" I've taken into accont the way I'm going to present the issue is not the way 9/11 really happened. If you cannot read my post and think critically about it and come up with a real answer...don't respond.
say, instead of 1 egyptian, 15 saudis, 1 lebanese, and 2 men from the u.a.e., all the 9/11 hijackers were white christian boys who were going to college. the ringleader's name was joseph brown...he came from a family that almost a majority of the families in america could identify with....he was studying to become an engineer, and then he met up with these eighteen other boys who were members of this radical christian church. they believed that america was immoral and something needed to be done about it. so a bunch of members of their church and members of their church from across the country funded and planned the 9/11 attacks. these 19 boys carried out the 9/11 attacks.
they're terrorists. nineteen of america's brightest young christian minds are terrorists and have killed thousands of innocent people.
pat robertson and jerry falwell rally around them because they're christians.
are all white christian college boys terrorists now? should they be ostracized...marginalized?
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| May 15, 2006 @ 6:16 PM |
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Bj864
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I think the point of the original post was that these people won't even abide by their own laws. They just keep twisting/interpreting things to suit their whims, most of the time that whim being to murder someone. For me, that just further proves that they shouldn't be trusted or respected by anyone.
I find this entire thread to be very sad.
What most of you have said about Muslims applies to Americans too. Have we not killed and murdered people? Are we not doing that as we speak, in Iraq? Did we not do it in our own country too?
Has our own president not thrashed our constitution? Can our own government be trusted?
It is easy to throw stones, but much harder to look in the mirror at oneself. 
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| May 16, 2006 @ 12:52 PM |
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EvoPsych
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HopeLady writes
President mocks our Constitution and now the Government spies on the people freely.
Actually HL...There's only been about 10 years since WWI, that we have'nt been spying on Americans.
Gentlemen reading the mail of others is far from a new Republican idea...Such Democratic icons as Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Harry Truman, JFK, LBJ, all signed off on domestic spying.
I have a book suggestion for you HL...You should read "Blind Spot" "A history of American Counter Terrorism"
Personally...I think the Democratic Party should change it's name to "The Party of National Suicide." They seem more than willing to engage in any partisan mischaracterization of this administrations policies, to harm or impead our efforts twards national survival.
The Democratic mouthpeices like to scream about our intelligence failures, Yet it was those very Democrats that destroyed the CIA with The Church Commitee in the 70's...Somehow expecting that anyone we dealt with in the murky business of spying...To be Mother Teresa.
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| May 17, 2006 @ 2:32 PM |
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ExacerbatedTaboo
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11955289/
Just goes to show the BIG difference between muslims and christians when in this century muslims would still try to put someone to death just for converting, against their OWN constitution.
And we do? Look a the Rome Statute, Public Law 87-279, The Patriot Act, Operation Urban Warrior, NSA Wiretapping, The Brady Bill...That's just to name a few....You should do a background check into the christian religion. They were murderous and criminal establishment that said, if you don't believe in god we kill you and burn you...I refuse to follow a religion with that background. Even today the christian right is trying to control what everyone does and how they think and trying to put their beliefs into laws regardless of our constitution..It's always been this way, one religion pointing fingers at how bad the other religion is when they have no room to talk either way.
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| Jul 15, 2006 @ 10:39 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Syria and Iran are nothing but a pipsqueak drop in the military bucket and are no match for the civilized world.
If Israel and the USA teamed up in a match against Syria and Iran, the whole thing would be over in a couple of weeks at most.
Of course it could be over in a couple of days if we used some nukes, but that isn't necessary, we could do it in weeks with conventional weapons. And we SHOULD. It's time to shut these barbarians down once and for all.
Both Syria and Iran have now created the perfect opportunity to get this job done. Even the anti-Semitic Europeans and Russians can only say that Israel's response is "disproportional." Even they realize that they can't get away with saying their usual "It's all Israel's fault."
For those that call for Israel to show "restraint," get a life already will you. No country in history has ever demonstrated anything close to the restraint Israel has. After decades of terrorist attacks on schoolchildren, women and innocent citizens, thousands of missiles and rockets launched into Israel from outside their borders and having to listen to most of the world blame them, the victims, for the actions of the terrorists, Israel has absorbed more crap than any other nation has ever come close to.
In an action unprecedented in history, as an offer of peace and reconciliation without equal that shocked the world, Israel unilaterally turned over the Gaza Strip, land they captured in a defensive war after being barbarically attacked by virtually the entire Arab world, to the Palestinians, asking nothing in return but peace.
The Israelis paid a great political, social and monetary cost for this generous action as they had to force (and in many cases physically remove) their own citizens out of their homes in Gaza. As Gaza was being turned over to the Palestinians, American Jews raised $12 million in donations, to purchase a greenhouse in Gaza that was donated as a gift and goodwill gesture to the Palestinians who were to move in there.
What did the Palestinians give in return for Israel's unprecedented act of peace and reconciliation?
The first thing they did is to destroy the greenhouses. Then, without even a pause, or a single indication that they have any interest whatsoever in peace, they proceeded to set up terrorist base camps in Gaza and launch terror attacks on Israel targeting the usual innocent men, women and children (killing children seems to be the thing they do best).
Every day the terrorists brought in more and more sophisticated weapons to Gaza and used them to launch ever more deadly attacks on innocent people as quickly as they could get them in. With the assistance of Syria and Iran, they have inflicted their terror on Israel on a daily basis since Israel gave them the land.
Then the Palestinian people voted in their new government leaders. And who did the Palestinian people pick to lead and represent them? HAMAS!...one of the most vicious, barbaric Islamofacist terrorist organizations in the the world today.
Then they kidnapped and brutally murdered innocent Israelis and are now holding some of them as hostages.
This was the Palestinian response to Israel's unprecedented gesture of peace.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
To draw any comparison whatsoever between the actions of these barbarians and Israel's justifiable response is beyond absurd. Anyone who can't see the difference is either blind, stupid or anti-Semitic.
The enemys of Israel (who are also enemys of the rest of the free world too) DELIBERATELY TARGET INNOCENT PEOPLE. They are specialists in barbarically killing children and helpless people, this is their favorite target. They also love to use innocent people in their own countries as shields to try to prevent Israel from retaliating because they know that, unlike them, Israel NEVER intentionally kills innocent people.
Contrast this with Israel who EVEN NOW AFTER SO MANY DECADES OF BEING VICTIMS OF THIS ISLAMOFACIST BARBARISM, take every possible precaution not to kill innocent people. They have targeted infrastructure the the terrorists use, bridges, buildings, roads, airport runways, etc. They destroy these things at times when innocent people are LEAST likely to be killed. When it becomes necessary for Israel to destroy property in a populated area to defend itself, they actually WARN SURROUNDING CITIZENS IN ADVANCE, including dropping flyers to warn them, to evacuate prior to the attack so that they will not be harmed.
Israel is defending itself in the most humanitarian way possible against these barbarians. Any attempt to draw a "moral equivalence" between Israel and these terrorists is preposterous.
PS: Israel worries TOO MUCH about civilian casualties. They should focus their limited resources on defeating the terrorists and not worry so much about this. It is not Israel's fault if civilians are inadvertently killed while they attempt to defend themselves, it's the terrorists fault.
Along with their state sponsors, all Islamofacist organizations are one in the same threat: Hamas, Hizballah, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, Taliban and all the other barbaric enemys of freedom.
The civilized world has 3 choices in dealing with these Islamofacist terrorist barbarians.
1. You can agree to practice Sharia Law
2. You can
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| Jul 15, 2006 @ 10:51 PM |
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DiamondRain
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To finish...
The civilized world has 3 choices in dealing with these Islamofacist terrorist barbarians.
1. You can agree to practice Sharia Law
2. You can let them kill you
3. You can kill them
The brave men and women of Israel have begun to fight back against this terrorist threat, and the the rest of the civilized world should do all they can to support and assist them. We owe great thanks to Israel as they fight side by side with us in the war to preserve freedom for us all.
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| Jul 16, 2006 @ 1:08 AM |
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nuclearvanilla
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Looks like you double-posted, bro.
I do believe this thread is running off on too many tangents, Mrs. Robinson, and yes... you're seducing me.
From my understanding as it is given to me by the people who are there for large parts of it (our military personnel keeping security and stability in Iraq, people I regularly speak to even after I got out) the democratic process is only barely, just BARELY beginning to think about trying to begin to take root. It's the same as the one good poster had said about Afghanistan; you need to give these things time. I agree with Lipgloss in that we shouldn't be the world's policemen, but at the same time I don't think we can simply get up and leave after giving them the basic framework for a government.
That isn't the point of the post, though. The point is that the concept of democracy isn't going to just "click" with a society that hasn't been reading about Locke, Voltaire, British, American, and French republics in grade school as we do. It's indoctrinated into us the same way that we learn the Star Spangled Banner. That is not the case in the Islamic world, and quite a lot of the democratic Western ideals we consider necessary to a functioning society are quite fairly considered un-Islamic by many of them. A democracy can happen, a constitution can happen, but not one that we Westerners would ever feel comfortable in. I wouldn't be surprised if you see an entirely NEW form of democracy, one combining aspects of secular and theocratical ideas, will eventually pop up and be much more effective than this crazy thing we helped Iraq recently create.
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