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kattsmeow
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I didn't see anything about what is going on over there in the forum, so I thought I would start one.
What do you think? Does Israel have a right to be bombing like they are?
I have to think back to the days right after WW2 and think, did people think they(the Jewish state) would just go and be a peaceful, walk all over me people?
Ya right....
I have to say, I am glad they are standing up finally and having their say.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 11:55 AM |
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Jankia
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I agree with you katts but this is sadly only part of the beginning.With 5000 in Baghdad today protesting what Israel is rightfully doing to protect themselves,the Hezbollah getting all there aid from Iran and Syria it certainly doesnt look good for the world when you mix in whats happening in Korea.
Israel today held to three conditions it set for any ceasefire: the release of the two Israeli soldiers seized by Hezbollah in the cross-border raid on Wednesday that touched off the current fighting; a halt to rocket fire by Hezbollah; and a decision by the Lebanese government to implement a United Nations resolution calling for the disarmament of Hezbollah.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 12:18 PM |
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uab_5
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Funny for a half-Iranian with pro-Arab/pro-Palestian tendencies to say this, but Isreal has the right to protect its interests.
For politics, might makes right.
If Isreal can make demands and deliver consequences if its demands are not met, Amen.
I feel for the innocense caught in the crossfire.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 2:38 PM |
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spongebob777
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This doesn't appear to be the standard Israeli/Palestinian fight. I think this is a case of Iran and Syria being willing to fight to the last Lebanese and the last Palestinian. You might notice how quiet the west bank has been through all of this but the west bank backs up against Jordan and they aren't big supporters of terrorism.
Outside influences starting a fight they can't finish and the Palestinians will pay the price.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 3:16 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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uab i have to disagree with you, brother.
i have only agreed with one or two things israel has done and that was under Yitzhak Rabin and Ariel Sharon. This is truly an issue in which I do not think with my head but feel with my heart and I do not think anything can sway that.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 4:30 PM |
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uab_5
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I understand where you're coming from because I understand your background.
I've been caught in my own world, so only last night did I here of this new fighting.
I've never understood the Arab-Isreali conflict, and I don't pretend to understand now.
I understand physics much better. If I have two perfectly elastic objects, the smaller mass will rebound off the greater mass with a greater change in velocity than the greater mass.
Applied to a political model, the side with more money, weapons, and constituents will get their way.
A.k.a Dog Eat Dog, Law of the Jungle, Law of Tooth and Fang
Can someone give me the Reader's Digest version of events, please?
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 6:38 PM |
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PsychoMagnet
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Hard for me to cheer a bombing when there are 25,000 Americans in danger of being hit . . .
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 7:10 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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have to think back to the days right after WW2 and think, did people think they(the Jewish state) would just go and be a peaceful, walk all over me people?
Ya right....
I have to say, I am glad they are standing up finally and having their say.
I grew up in NYC, and nearly all my friends were Jewish. We even kept a separate set of dishes for those who kept kosher. It makes it hard for me to say this, but if we had a problem with being a British colony back in 1776, and the British decided to grant, let's say, the whole east coast, to someone we considered our mortal enemy, do you really think we'd be okay with that? The rest of the world decided that the Jews had been badly done by, and correctly so, but does it really make sense to penalize the Palestinians who'd lived on that land for one or two thousand years, rather than the Germans?
I just think that it was a poisonous deal from the beginning. I'm not sure what it will take to make it right, if it can be made right, but it's a safe bet that bombs won't do it. Hezbollah, like Al Quaeda, have a vested interest in keeping the pot boiling. It's what terrorists thrive on, and they're not upset that Israel's retaliating, they're overjoyed. The thing that scares them most is the possibility of moderates talking to each other and arriving at some sort of solution that everyone can live with.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 7:36 PM |
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spongebob777
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Hezbollah, like Al Quaeda, have a vested interest in keeping the pot boiling.
That's the real deal and it's my point about this round not being between the Israelis and Palestinians. Just today the Lebanese prime minister blamed Syria and Iran for supporting terrorists in Lebanon and Gaza. If this were truely between the Palestinians and Israelis there would be violence in the West Bank.
Lets not forget that this round of violence started after the Israelis started pulling out of the settlements against the wishes of many Israelis. Only then did someone Tunnel out of Gaza and kidnap an Israelis soldier from Israeli territory. There was no provacation for the attack from Lebanon either.
I really believe that the Israelis and Palestinians could come to some rational agreements if every idiot with money in the mideast would stop paying for suicide bomber and terrorism.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 8:30 PM |
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Jankia
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Just today the Lebanese prime minister blamed Syria and Iran for supporting terrorists in Lebanon and Gaza.
The Prime minister can place all the blame on Syria and Iran but if he doesnt want Lebanon destroyed,and it will be eventually,he had better get to blaming the Hezbollah leaders and doing something about it.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 8:39 PM |
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spongebob777
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he had better get to blaming the Hezbollah leaders and doing something about it.
That's more or less what he was doing. After all, hezbolla wouldn't have any money without Syrian and Iranian support. I don't think Lebanon has much in the way of military capablities after some 20 years of Syrian occupation.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 8:59 PM |
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Bj864
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I don't think Lebanon has much in the way of military capablities after some 20 years of Syrian occupation.
From what I read today, you are correct about this. Lebanon has no capabilty of stopping this group with its military. Israel knows this, so why did they start bombing the country? It seems to me that Israel wants to solve every problem with extreme violence. Why blame the entire country, when there is very little they can do about it?
What I am REALLY concerned about is the fact that our troops are getting in more and more danger as war and violence is escalating in so many places over there. One of my fears about attacking Iraq was that our troops could end up totally surrounded by enemies fighting against them. I think the worse this gets with Israel, the more apt that surrounding countries will become involved. Then what?
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 9:06 PM |
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spongebob777
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Israel knows this, so why did they start bombing the country?
It's called self defense. After all, it's where the hezbolla rockets came from. In fact the Lebanese PM said that the terrorists were on their own.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 9:49 PM |
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irish20835
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One of my fears about attacking Iraq was that our troops could end up totally surrounded by enemies fighting against them. I think the worse this gets with Israel, the more apt that surrounding countries will become involved. Then what?
THEN WHAT ???...we do what we always do ...kick ass,,,between Israel and the US..we would probably roll through the mid east in about 11 days ...
btw bj ...what do ya think our military is for ....to sing national anthems at baseball games ...mabye march in parades ...oh i know they can be grand marshalls at NASCAR races .
your anti military rethoric is all over these boards and is getting old quick trust me weather you like Bush or notor are a democrat or republican is the farthest thing from most soldiers minds right now ...
Israel has every right to defend it self ....
YA DON"T SCREW WITH GOD"S CHOOSEN PEOPLE!!!
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 9:59 PM |
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Jankia
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Spongebob is right,the first thing you do to stop an aggressor is to cut off the supply lines,thus they hit the airport runways first.
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| Jul 14, 2006 @ 11:13 PM |
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MotownManiax
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The only thing I worry about is Israel might be overextending herself. If things heat up in the West Bank, it would add to the fighting already going on in Gaza and Lebanon. That would be conflict on three fronts; putting a huge strain on Israel's military, economic, and political infrastructure.
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| Jul 15, 2006 @ 8:35 AM |
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uab_5
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YA DON"T SCREW WITH GOD"S CHOOSEN PEOPLE!!!
I can't tell you how many people I've desired to see have cardiac arrest for saying such things.
Even though I'm a neophyte Christian and shouldn't wish harm on anyone, to this day I get uber-ticked when some one refers to the Jews as God's chosen people.
I've felt that was as much discrimination as anything.
If God is all loving, why would He claim only part of His believers as "Chosen"?
Yer right about the U.S. military's job being to kick butt, take names, and if need be get shot so us civies don't have to.
Thank God the Tangos rarely target cutters! Semper Paratus!
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| Jul 15, 2006 @ 9:25 AM |
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spongebob777
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God's only chosen people are the true innocents. (Children for the most part)
I see the news this morning is the belief that there are Iranian revolutionary guard in southern Lebanon. The idiot running Iran is willing to martyr his entire population and more to usher in the Mahdi.
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| Jul 15, 2006 @ 12:48 PM |
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Bj864
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It's called self defense. After all, it's where the hezbolla rockets came from. In fact the Lebanese PM said that the terrorists were on their own.
So? If there is a murderer in a house, do you bomb the entire neighborhood, city, county, state or country?
Makes no sense to me.
btw bj ...what do ya think our military is for ....to sing national anthems at baseball games ...mabye march in parades ...oh i know they can be grand marshalls at NASCAR races .
I KNOW what our military is for. Do you?
It is to DEFEND "OUR" COUNTRY.
The definition of the word defend is:
To protect against danger.
Our military is thousands of miles away from our country, so how is that protecting us?
I am not anti military. I am against them being misused for political or financial gain.
THEN WHAT ???...we do what we always do ...kick ass,,,between Israel and the US..we would probably roll through the mid east in about 11 days
Sounds just like the Bush "cowboy" mentality. How sickening to talk about killing people as "rolling through the mideast".
[Edited on 7/15/2006 1:00 PM]
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| Jul 15, 2006 @ 1:17 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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THEN WHAT ???...we do what we always do ...kick ass,,,between Israel and the US..we would probably roll through the mid east in about 11 days ...
Oh, come on. 
It is really, really so hard to stay out of this thread...if I said what I really wanted to about this subject I might lose 99% of the friends I've made here. You want to talk about a hot-button issue? This issue is such a hot-button issue with me that you can't go within 20 feet of it without getting third degree burns. I think the only regular poster that can truly understand what I mean is uab. The only thing I can say about this is I really...really miss Ariel Sharon right now. I miss Ariel Sharon and I really really HATE with everything in me Mahmoud Abbas and the new Israeli Prime Minister. Mr. Abbas is nothing but a puppet. At first he was an Israeli puppet but then Hamas took over the Palestinian Parliament and now he is a puppet for all the terrorist groups and he has formally messed up the peace process. There will never be a peace process now and I am blaming him and the new Prime Minister.
I will support my people through this even if that means being called a "terrorist"...again.
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