| Jul 18, 2006 @ 10:33 AM |
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Jankia
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President Bush vows swift veto of stem cell bill.
What are your opinions on stem cell research?
I agree with with Sen. Sam Brownback
"It is immoral to destroy the youngest of human lives for research purposes," Brownback said. "It is an age-old human debate, whether you allow the stronger to take advantage of the weaker. We have already regretted doing it in the past; we will regret this, too."
I'm against fetal farming, the possibility of developing fetuses, then aborting them for scientific research.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 11:31 AM |
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nuclearvanilla
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I think when policy and ethics collide, you find there's no right way out of the situation... The fact that Bush already allowed work to be done on stem cells created before his law passed was probably a compromise on his part, which is respectable, since he was taking both sides into account. Now he's saying he wants it to remain that way, contrary to the opinions of the Senate and most of the House. I don't know if he'll win this one or not...
From the very little I know on the science involved, I don't see why adult stem cells are less viable than embryonic ones. If that's so, then why even bother with embryonic ones at all? It's one thing to speak of abortion and whether you agree with it or not, but it's another to say you think we should use embryos even if we don't need to. Anyone more educated in this field, please let me know more to clarify what I'm saying..
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 12:01 PM |
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Always_Striving
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Maybe it should be televised to give people a difference of opinion. For the matter maybe cattle processing should as well. Chop, chop, chop, squeeze, squirt, squirt, rip.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 12:09 PM |
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Always_Striving
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Some people are meant to die off by NATURAL causes, it's natures plan. That's what happens when people mate with others that have genetic pre-dispositions, You play, you pay.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 1:45 PM |
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Jankia
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Some people are meant to die off by NATURAL causes, it's natures plan.
I agree striving.We are over populating the world now,we have so many fine things in medicine we are able to live longer so nursing homes can collect $7000 per month to feed us and clean our bedpans because their children cannot or wont tend to family at home.
Sure,I suppose I would be all for stem cell research if it meant preventing the death of one of my children but thats only because I'm their dad.I wouldnt be for it to save myself or anyone else.
I suppose what Bush vetoes means little anyway.You cannot stop science.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 2:00 PM |
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Aries361
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You can't stop it, but you can delay it. The US is falling behind other countries in research.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 2:55 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WILL USE EMBRYOS (SP?)
THAT ALREADY EXIST AND WILL BE DESTROYED ANYWAY. WHY NOT GET
SOME POSITIVE USE? NO ONE ELSE WILL USE THEM.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 3:00 PM |
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Jankia
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Because an embryo is a life and life doesnt belong in a test tube to begin with.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 3:33 PM |
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nuclearvanilla
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Which leads me right back to why we don't use adult stem cells. Are embryonic stem cells somehow better, prettier, smell better? If someone wants to allow the use of their pregnancy's embryonic stem cells, I don't believe they should be prohibited by law, nor should a person be prohibited from using his own stem cells. I appreciate your postings, Jankia, but I'd have to disagree on a few things you said. I don't believe advancements in medicine should be written off as ways to overpopulate the world and generate income for retirement homes. The benefits in this particular field, stem cell research, would not simply go to help people dying of cancer or Alzheimer's or whatever else, but even those kids with brittle bones, or average Joes with third degree burns. Since the benefits would apply to all, I personally think it would be a boon to everyone, although it would certainly increase lifespans in time. I certainly wouldn't want to have medicine to prolongue my misery at the end of my years, but if the medicine can actually help ailments throughout life, and keep me vibrant and healthy in those end years, then I'm all for it.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 3:53 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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so, by leaving these lives in a test tube, they will somehow be productive members of our society?
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 4:12 PM |
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Jankia
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so, by leaving these lives in a test tube, they will somehow be productive members of our society?
Read what I said,they dont belong in a test tube to begin with.
Dont get me wrong nuclearvanilla,I'm not against medicine or the development of vaccines and finding cures for desease.I'm also not against adult stem cell research.Research with adult stem cells does not require the killing of a prenatal to obtain the cells, therefore, this type of research is not immoral to me.
To me creating a developing human being by any kind of scientific technique (i.e. not by natural conception) is itself gravely immoral.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 4:23 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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but, they are there, so now what? it cannot be ubdone.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 4:24 PM |
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spongebob777
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I'm thinking umbilical blood. 
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 7:36 PM |
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Aries361
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They are embryos, not people. It is that simple. They have no brain or conciousness. Suppose you ran into a burning building where you saw a baby and a freezer full of 100 embryos. If you only had time to save the baby or 100 embryos which would you save? If you REALLY think embryos are people you would save 100 of them and let the baby die. But seriously, is there anyone who would do that? I would save the baby, of coarse.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 7:57 PM |
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Jankia
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This isnt about saving embryos its more about giving that child you just saved from the fire the chance to be saved and to have a brain or conciousness to become a child.Life begins at conception.
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 8:32 PM |
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kattsmeow
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They have no brain or conciousness
The brain is one of the first things to start developing in a baby.
That is what we are talking about,,,,baby's
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 8:42 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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It's pretty much immaterial what the U.S. does. If something can be done, it will be done, by someone somewhere. The new procedures that will be developed from stem cell research will be available, just a plane ride away for those with the means. In vitro fertilization will still occur, and those same embryonic cells will simply be discarded here as most of them are now, or else frozen and sold in a country where they can be used legally.
[Edited on 7/18/2006 8:43 PM]
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 8:42 PM |
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Always_Striving
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IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WILL USE EMBRYOS
I've been doing electrical work all around the areas of Seattle and the Puget Sound and what I've noticed is that you'll find abortion clinics in primarily in 2 places. In close proximity to minority neighborhoods and near University campuses. So next comes the question of implanting embryos extracted from poor minorities or fairly intelligent college students. Where would you like the embryos to come from?
This has all the making for kiddnapping and harvesting people for their embryos, Don't doubt me on this people, because this will most certainly happen if it isn't already happening.
Profit sees no ethics or morals when it comes to $$$$$ money for life.
It makes me sick 
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 8:52 PM |
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nah12
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well i'll not judge on this one...reason being you never know when it's you or your loved one that could be saved from the research and then i would be surprised to see someone turn down the research that could or would save their lives.....nope not my decision to play god or judge and jury..... or say what i would or would not do without me being in that situation........
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| Jul 18, 2006 @ 9:06 PM |
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Aries361
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Maybe the brain is the first thing to develop in a baby. But an embryo is NOT a baby.
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