| Dec 5, 2006 @ 11:39 AM |
New York City poised to ban trans fats
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gyspydreamer
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/
The war on fat is on! 
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| Dec 5, 2006 @ 1:59 PM |
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DawolfLover
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Wow, I wonder how long it'll be until we're all just issued our daily supplements instead of being allowed to choose what we eat?
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| Dec 5, 2006 @ 2:24 PM |
New York City poised to ban trans fats
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steveemac
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I know this seems like a "Big Brother" scenario, but try to look at it from a business standpoint: poor people -the ones most likely w/out insurance- tend to be the ones with diets less balanced, with more fats...so they tend to have a higher rate of heart disease/attacks/strokes, etc. With no insurance, they don't go to the doctor for preventive medicine; they just wait until some catastrophic event-and end up in the ER, where their bill is absorbed by the taxpayers.
Just another way of looking at it.
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| Dec 6, 2006 @ 3:39 AM |
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DawolfLover
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Oh I see, so it's just the moral majority and well-to-do's saying "Hey there, I know you don't have a lot of money, so we're going to show you what you can and can't eat." 
Instead of figuring out why soooooo many people fall below the poverty line every year, lets figure out how to make billions for rich investors that have invested tons of money in companies that are right there waiting to fill the "vegetable oil" void.
You're right Steve, it's all about money. How to keep poor people poor and make rich people richer.
Perhaps now the government should think about re-thinking those budget cuts that forced schools to drop Physical Education. Oh but wait, they've gotta wait till their rich friends invest in new revolutionary exercise machines that all the schools will be required to have.
LMAO, I wonder how quick this would be reversed if they found out that lobster and filet mignon contained trans fats? 
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| Dec 6, 2006 @ 10:40 AM |
New York City poised to ban trans fats
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steveemac
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Wolf, it's always about the $$$, but as a City Government, New York is low on the totem pole as far as setting policies that actually make anyone's lives better...Milwaukee goes through the same thing: the pols in Madison set rules for "all" municipalities in the state to follow, but it's damned obvious that they only really apply to large urban areas -i.e, Milwaukee- and are usually done through unfunded state mandates-which means the higher level of gov't says, "we're making you have this, but you gotta pay for it yourself." Policies that benefit the wealthy usually come from blowhards at the state and federal level-counties and cities just try to balance their budgets, usually-and I imagine the amount that NYC spends on care for the poor and indigent is mind boggling...in an ideal world, people should be given the information on how and what to eat to stay healthy, but unless they hire MTV, Jerry Springer or Cartoon Network to do the educating, nobody's listening...and if an uninsured someone shows up at an ER having a heart attack/stroke/etc from decades of considering Flamin' Hot Cheetos as part of the food pyramid, they gotta be given treatment; no doctor can refuse to do so, per the hippocratic oath, I guess.
To me, one of the answers is that we join the rest of the "advanced" world and make health care a right, not a privilege.
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| Dec 6, 2006 @ 4:39 PM |
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DawolfLover
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To me, one of the answers is that we join the rest of the "advanced" world and make health care a right, not a privilege.
Actually steve, the more I think about it the less I want to see it happen. As I see it the "haves" are saying that because they don't want to pay for poor people's heart attacks resulting from poor diets, they want to ban certain foods. I'm not sure that this attitude would change, other than getting stronger if there were national healthcare. Instead the "haves" would decide that it's now their obligation to mandate what people can and can't eat in order to help reduce the numbers of people going to the hospital.
Not to mention that it will never happen, simply because Insurance companies are so deep into the government's pockets that we'll never see a change that would cut insurance companies out. They contribute more money to campaign funds than any other group.
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| Dec 6, 2006 @ 4:50 PM |
New York City poised to ban trans fats
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Always_Striving
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Kids love McNuggets
Adults are addicted to beef too
Here is an intersting article http://www.irishhealth.com/?level=4&id=10320
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| Dec 6, 2006 @ 7:48 PM |
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DawolfLover
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I'm not sure what you meant to accomplish with those pictures Always. Do you really think the first photo is a child that's addicted to Mcnuggets? Or did the parents get really really lazy and decide that it would be so much easier to feed him whatever he wants rather than deal with him? Kids don't get that way by themselves, especially at that age. I won't even talk about the second picture because it's a fake and the guy was posing his fat. So it's quite irrelevant.
The article that you mentioned doesn't touch on how people might become "addicted" to food, just that PET scans have shown that the certain areas of the brain show activity when cravings hit, much like addicts. I personally don't see food as an addiction. It's possible for someone to eat all they want, but do it in healthy portions. And it retrains the brain and the body to think the stomach is full all the time. I'd say that there are a lot of generalizations when it comes to obesity. The worst one of all is that obese people are that way from gorging themselves with copious amounts of food. Although that may be the case for some obese people, it's not the case for all. Some simply make the wrong food choices continuously. Wrong portion sizes, eating only once a day in even larger portions, no exercise, low water intake, and simply eating foods high in simple sugars and fat content.
Also the BMI (Body Mass Index) that's used to indicate whether or not someone is obese, is universally flawed. It only takes into account height and weight, there is no bearing the results for muscle. To make this image a little more clear I did a search for Mel Gibson's height and weight, it showed Mel to be 5' 10" with 214 lbs. According to the BMI calculator Mel has a BMI of 30.7. Anything above 30 is considered obese. So congrats Mel, you're one of the fat kids again. But hey who's Mel Gibson right? Try searching google for a BMI calculator and punchning in your own height and weight and we'll see just how many of us qualify as OBESE.
Hmmm maybe someday we'll be able to visually see all the damage that's caused to the body by alcohol. Then we can ban that yucky highly addictive stuff and start saving more lives too. Oh wait that's right, we tried a ban on that years ago and the addicts fought it tooth and nail.
Bah who cares right? It's only socialism at work. I'll just go sit over there and eat whatever the hell I want. One day you'll be on the other side of this coin and the businesses will have you by the balls and say "Hey, we did it before and you didn't complain, so it set a prescedent that you can't change. Tough luck"
You'll pry my ho-ho's from my cold dead chocolate covered fingers.
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| Dec 12, 2006 @ 5:07 PM |
New York City poised to ban trans fats
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Gentlegiant127
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I think I have to agree with what steveemac had t osay, and that these trans fats hurt poor people more than anyone else. I dated a woman who consumed a large amount of trans fats per day(I care about my health and read labels on foods), she would buy the chepeast foods she could find, and most of these foods had transfats in them. I pointed it out to her that the amount of transfats per day she consumed was worrying me, and she said it worried her too, but she could not afford to buy more expensive foods that did not have transfats(Hydrogenated oils)in it.
I think a majority of doctors have come to a consensus that trans fats are bad for you and should be avoided. I back what new york city is doing. Good for them. When you think about all the other stuff the fda has banned, seems likely the fda may consider a ban on transfats in the future, especially since there is alot of support from the medical community.
And lets keep in mind here, this doesn't mean that ho-ho's and other stuff with trans fats in it will disappear from the shelves, the manufacturers will just switch to a different type of oil, and you'll probably not even notice the difference in taste. Case in point: I remember what the oreos with trans fats tasted like, and I tasted the new trans fat free oreos and I could not really notice any difference in the taste. So if trans fats are banned nationwide someday, it won't be the end of the world for all the ho-ho lovers out there.
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| Dec 15, 2006 @ 11:23 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I have a right to be a fat ass and the government can't tell me not to be one.
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| Dec 21, 2006 @ 7:02 PM |
New York City poised to ban trans fats
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AngelLight
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I'm with Steve and Gentle on this one... 
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